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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
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#132Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
#133Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…
One reason not to focus too much on his death might be because it seems to have been more "random mistake" than "heroic sacrifice"? The children had already been located, the system for supplying and evacuating them had already been arranged, and everyone who entered the cave had all the supplies and equipment they needed to perform their tasks.
Running out of air while diving is a mistake that any amateur diver with crap equipment can make, but we make it while 50 ft deep in open water, so we just swim to the surface if our buddy isn't close or attentive enough to help us. [0] If you're in a cave you can't do that, but if you're a professional military frogman with fancy professional equipment you probably shouldn't make that mistake. If the global media had concentrated to closely on this, embarrassing questions would have been asked. Therefore it's better that everyone just praise his courage and move on.
[0] I did this, when I was 13 and I was using a system with a bad air gauge. When everyone got to the top, the dive master said "OK, you've done an emergency ascent, now switch tanks and we're going back down to practice buddy breathing." I haven't run out of air while diving since that episode.
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#134Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…
Call me cynical, but I couldn't help but notice Musk seemed to be going about his effort with the maximum amount of tweeting and publicity possible.
I'd rather people do good things for selfish reasons than not do good things at all
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#135Meanwhile, Elon Musk is jumping up and down saying "pay attention to me! Pay attention to me!"
And what did you do to help? He was asked if he could do anything and tried.
I didn't do anything to help- I don't think saving 12 people in a Thailand cave means a lot, globally speaking. Why do you say he was asked to do something? He offered to help. More realistically, however, he should have chosen to stay out of the way- he didn't get his device to the site until the rescue operation was already half completed. It wouldn't have worked anyway- it wasn't fit for the purpose. Getting a bunch of PR for somethign that wasn't really asked for and doesn't work seems pointless attention getting.
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#136Thankfully Lord Musk was there to help. Unlike Saman Gunan.
In all honesty, please remember and keep repeating Saman Gunan's name. He gave his life for these kids. Musk reused a part of his rocket that his company didn't even build, in a situation where it would never work. It was so obviously a PR stunt it's disgusting. He even personally showed up to the cave site as if he was ever going to actually contribute something. I can only imagine how much of a nuisance this was to the people running the rescue operation, doing the true blue work that resulted in these kids being saved.
>"Even though their equipment is technologically sophisticated, it doesn't fit with our mission to go in the cave," said rescue chief Narongsak Osotthanakorn.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/44755093?ns_mchannel=social&ns...
I already saw Musk being referenced in a positive manner in these comments so we're going to put that to rest immediately. The guy in charge of the operation basically called their presence there completely useless in the most PC way imaginable.
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#137Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…
For that matter, why wasn't this more widely publicized? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/06/56-missing-in-thai-r... It's just what happens....some people capture the public's hearts and minds, and some don't.
Wasn't it? It got featured in our main TV news multiple times. But frankly, there wasn't much to hope for in that story, unlike with the cave rescue. After the first couple of hours, it's very unlikely that you'd find more survivors.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Partially dumb luck. - “A ranger of the Department of National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation alerted authorities to the missing group after seeing their unclaimed belongings at the cave entrance.” - “Volanthen was placing guidelines in the cave to later assist others in navigation. He ran out of line, which led him to swim to the surface—there, he found the missing team and its coach.” https://en.wikipedia.o…
Can you imagine being there for days and days and suddenly a diver pops up?
9 days in the darkness, with just whatever food they brought in and no way to contact the outside world.
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#139I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!
A report I read said that the coach went in looking for the kids after they had been reported missing — he didn't lead them in. Don't know if that's true or not. I'm sure we will find out in the coming days.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Musk had no business being involved. Really, 'inventing' a MVP prototype of a submarine which he 'tested' in a swimming pool and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? This was egoism at its finest, taking public credit for 'helping' with a rescue he wasn't invited or asked to help with. And the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.
Yeah, how dare he try to help.
If he truly wanted to help he would have done so quietly, in contact with the local authorities. But he didn't. He proclaimed in full voice he had found a solution, on twitter. So he doesn't care. He just cares about appearing in front of the cameras.
His idea was stupid and useless anyway. It just came off as if he wanted to play the hero and build a Batsub in his mansion to deploy it and rescue the stranded children.