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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by mxfh »

jonhendry18 wrote: post #61
joshmaker wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call me cynical, but I couldn't help but notice Musk seemed to be going about his effort with the maximum amount of tweeting and publicity possible.

His efforts turned out to be a bit of a damp squib but that's because the rescue effort was launched earlier than expected due to coming heavy rains. There was talk about having the kids wait in there until as late as November, or maybe a long process of drilling an escape hole. If the rescue had begun a week or two later, perhaps Musk's gadget would have been used. As it is, the divers already had a plan that, by th…

Talking about drilling escape holes. The Dahlbusch rescue device was improvised in 5 days, with no patents claimed whatsover. Wonder if Musk will do the same with his contraption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahlbusch_Bomb

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by ryanmercer »

mapcars wrote: post #70

Why is this on hacker news?

13 people were rescued from 2 something miles inside a cave by an international effort that involved engineers, possible plans for a drilling effort, master divers and even had people repurposing spacecraft parts and accessories to attempt to make a rescue pod in time to be of use.

Humans came together to find a solution to a difficult, life or death, situation.

That's why.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by yani »

maxxxxx wrote: post #27
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, how dare he try to help.

I don't know what went down but I think he should have asked the people on location what they need. Maybe he did... If he didn't it's just pretty arrogant to spend a little time on a problem you know nothing about and then publicly exclaiming you know a solution. A good idea now would be to send money to the family of the driver who died. That would be helpful.

He connected with the officials and the rescue teams before starting anything.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by viraptor »

andrepd wrote: post #62
ryanmercer wrote: post #3

Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

It's "awesome" but the cynic in me sees this as PR stunts and nothing else. Every day 150,000 people die. The media "happened" to latch onto this story and make it the headliner for an entire week. Objectively speaking, and at the risk of sounding like a cold hearted bastard, the life or death of 12 people isn't important news compared to other things that are happening right now. Then, types like Musk grabbed this o…

He's already working on the leading non-health-related cause of death. (car accidents) Both via self-driving cars and group transport. While you're right that this is a PR game to some degree, I think it's much different than if Bezos or someone similar did it.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by yani »

nerdponx wrote: post #57
msvan wrote: post #50

It turns out that if your suffering is spectacular enough, people will come save you. Maybe if we throw all the poor children of the world into caves people will start caring about them.

How much did this rescue mission cost?

1 human life

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by emodendroket »

rusk wrote: post #80
emodendroket wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the end he made a lot of noise and then did not actually contribute anything to the effort.

You're arguing the point that because his help wasn't needed in the end that he shouldn't have offered to help. But it's conceivable that his expertise could have been useful. Did any other organisations offer subterranean expertise? Genuine question, e.g. mining companies, drilling, or was it just that Musk made the most noise about it?

My impression was that this was not a good-faith effort to help but rather to be seen to be helping, without any concern for whether his efforts were useful.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by yani »

thewizardofaus wrote: post #9

Awesome news. But how long until Hollywood capitalizes on this event and makes a movie? "... Based on a true story, starring insert big name actor here ..."

The film crew are already in the cave filming. It is not a bad thing since everyone trapped is out. They have to collect as much data as possible while everything is still fresh

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by ryanmercer »

sillyquiet wrote: post #88
rusk wrote: post #54

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but not for nothing - he was instrumental in saving 13 lives

just this. It's trite to say it, and I'm sure it's cold comfort to his family, but we all die, and this person went out saving lives, young lives with lots of years to save, and in service to others. His death is somber and sad, but not tragic.

Not only did he die saving lives, he died doing (apparently) what he loved, being a frogman. I imagine he didn't hesitate to show up and get in the water fully knowing his life was at as much risk as theirs, those guys are a different breed altogether.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by smallhands »

tgb wrote: post #31

Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…

He is a solider doing his job. you will be surprise how thankless a military job is
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