Earlier quoted context omitted.
How much did this rescue mission cost?
1 human life
and US$3m
Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
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#102Why is this on hacker news?
Lessons showcased here about planning, risk management, international cooperation, decision-making, etc. can be extrapolated to many other aspects of human endeavor. This operation is valuable knowledge for everyone.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
His efforts turned out to be a bit of a damp squib but that's because the rescue effort was launched earlier than expected due to coming heavy rains. There was talk about having the kids wait in there until as late as November, or maybe a long process of drilling an escape hole. If the rescue had begun a week or two later, perhaps Musk's gadget would have been used. As it is, the divers already had a plan that, by th…
He himself said something akin to "I may be a narcissist, but at least a useful one".
Is the second half of this even true? If you create something that is impractical for the mission and won't be used have you been useful at all? I think not.
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#104Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
His efforts turned out to be a bit of a damp squib but that's because the rescue effort was launched earlier than expected due to coming heavy rains. There was talk about having the kids wait in there until as late as November, or maybe a long process of drilling an escape hole. If the rescue had begun a week or two later, perhaps Musk's gadget would have been used. As it is, the divers already had a plan that, by th…
perhaps Musk's gadget would have been used The cave was too narrow in sections for a diver to pass through still wearing his cylinders. How exactly was a sub supposed to get in?
I would guess the "sub" was not much wider than the kids. While an adult or kid couldn't get through while wearing a cylinder, a cylinder a little bigger than a kid (or smaller than the torso of a Navy SEAL) might get through.
The problem may have been more that it would be too long to navigate some bends in the caves.
It also occurs to me that, being made of aluminum, the tube would act like a giant heatsink in the cold water, chilling whoever was inside.
But with more time before the rescue, and by consulting with divers familiar with the caves, the problems might have been worked out.
So, yeah, taking the tube to Thailand was kind of pointless, but I guess at least shows that it wasn't just empty tweeting. There was an effort.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that the rescue was a resounding success, I think diving them out turned out to be the best option?
They'd already rescued multiple children before Musk even got there, no sense changing what is working. They didn't seem to mind him leaving it behind for future rescues though. shrugs
They were being polite. Narongsak Osatanakorn said it was not practical for the mission.
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#107Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…
For that matter, why wasn't this more widely publicized? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/06/56-missing-in-thai-r... It's just what happens....some people capture the public's hearts and minds, and some don't.
Group of kids vs group of tourists. Miles of cave vs capsized boat.
Just not "exciting" enough for the general public, ratings, and newspaper sales
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#108I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!
A blame mentality is a dangerous and self-defeating road to travel. It is only a matter of time before the blamer makes a mistake. Punishments are for the discouragement of others. How long before everyone is too paralysed by fear to make any movement at all?
I have recently (within the last few years) heard stories like "I won't help that person because their relatives will sue me if they die".
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're arguing the point that because his help wasn't needed in the end that he shouldn't have offered to help. But it's conceivable that his expertise could have been useful. Did any other organisations offer subterranean expertise? Genuine question, e.g. mining companies, drilling, or was it just that Musk made the most noise about it?
My impression was that this was not a good-faith effort to help but rather to be seen to be helping, without any concern for whether his efforts were useful.
Which is itself a bad faith evaluation. I'd prefer to be kinder and thus keep the door open for other such "help" in the future. Fundamentally, he didn't do any harm.
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#110You really have to love Wikipedia. It's barely a week old and you already have a page with so many references and detailed information. Thank you, all the anonymous contributors.