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Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by projektir »

brador wrote: post #88
JshWright wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wired on sugar That's not a thing. http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/sugar-and-candy-... (From one of the co-authors of this article)

Have kids and give them sugar. It absolutely is a verifiable thing. You get ~2-3 hours of hyperactivity/tunnelvision followed by the crying crash to nap combo. Every parent knows this. It's real and repeatable.

Hmm, this doesn't really verify it because the average person's kids might have been trained by now to react in a certain way after eating sugar. If you expect yourself to react a certain way after eating a food, you just might.

Similar to how a lot of kids are afraid of lightning because you are.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by projektir »

maxxxxx wrote: post #57
novaRom wrote: post #32

Why not to eat just fruits? Why a kind of juice is necessary?

It seems people are trained to believe that food always needs some kind of processing. I often eat raw bell peppers and tomato pieces at work and judging from the comments people seem to never even have thought of that as possibility. Right now the best are bottled teas like "Honest Tea" for $3 a pop at lunch. You can get something much better by buying some nice tea and brewing it yourself. And it probably costs onl…

For me it's raw broccoli. Most people seem to think it's supposed to be bitter raw and I am still rather confused about that since broccoli is not bitter at all to me.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by projektir »

benjaminl wrote: post #83
Gobd wrote: post #9

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What do they believe in now? I still thought calorie-in/out was the truth. I'd love to see some articles.

It is way more complicated than that. The body autonomously regulates the amount of calories that you eat. For example when you exercise more studies show people will eat almost exactly an extra amount of food equalent to the calories exercised. The average person gains an extra 1 to 2 pounds a year. It takes 6,000 calories to gains 2 pounds. This is about ~16.5 calories a day. About a fifth of a slice of bread. This…

> It is way more complicated than that. The body autonomously regulates the amount of calories that you eat. For example when you exercise more studies show people will eat almost exactly an extra amount of food equalent to the calories exercised.

The whole point of something like calorie counting is so that this is no longer some automated, subconscious process.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by projektir »

maxxxxx wrote: post #64
WilliamEdward wrote: post #46

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Calories-in-Calories-out is a straight-up fact. The thing 'scientists' don't like about it is that even if you lose the same amount of weight, where you got your calories from will impact your health differently depending on whether it's a chocolate bar or an apple. Nevertheless, Calories-in-Calories-out is a true model.

Very true. But don't make it the only factor in losing weight. You need to manage amount of food, what you eat and when you eat. They all are important.

Important in what sense?

Important in this context to me would mean: if I don't eat spinach, or if I skip breakfast, I will NOT lose weight on a calorie deficit. Is that what you mean by important what you eat and when you eat, or something else?

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by projektir »

emodendroket wrote: post #39
projektir wrote: post #2

Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

Well, it isn't really beside the point, since some foods give you calories without making you feel full or even while making you hungrier -- for instance, juice, according to this article..

It's beside the point in the evaluation of unhealthiness. Something making you hungry doesn't make it unhealthy. For people who can drink juice, but not overeat, it poses likely no special threat (and if it does, it will be hard to find that out in the current climate of calling calorie dense foods unhealthy).

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by projektir »

eagsalazar2 wrote: post #87
projektir wrote: post #2

Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

you are like 10 years late to this conversation.

I wish, still seems relevant as ever and I sense we're going to make full circle on this one a few more times.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by maxxxxx »

projektir wrote: post #95
maxxxxx wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very true. But don't make it the only factor in losing weight. You need to manage amount of food, what you eat and when you eat. They all are important.

Important in what sense? Important in this context to me would mean: if I don't eat spinach, or if I skip breakfast, I will NOT lose weight on a calorie deficit . Is that what you mean by important what you eat and when you eat, or something else?

Let's assume you eat the same amounts. It makes a difference if you eat in the morning or in the evening. If you eat very late most likely you won't digest as well and you will gain weight.

You will always lose weight on a deficit but depending on when you eat the amount for a deficit will be different.

Same for the type of food. From my own observation I will gain weight if I eat only a few pretzels daily even if everything else is the same. I assume they cause my digestive system to lose efficiency.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by jaredklewis »

brador wrote: post #88
JshWright wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wired on sugar That's not a thing. http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/sugar-and-candy-... (From one of the co-authors of this article)

Have kids and give them sugar. It absolutely is a verifiable thing. You get ~2-3 hours of hyperactivity/tunnelvision followed by the crying crash to nap combo. Every parent knows this. It's real and repeatable.

Confirmation bias, meet placebo control group.

From the article:

> In my favorite of these studies, children were divided into two groups. All of them were given a sugar-free beverage to drink. But half the parents were told that their child had just had a drink with sugar. Then, all of the parents were told to grade their children’s behavior. Not surprisingly, the parents of children who thought their children had drunk a ton of sugar rated their children as significantly more hyperactive. This myth is entirely in parents’ heads. We see it because we believe it.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by scarface74 »

dangrossman wrote: post #38
DanAndersen wrote: post #26

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>But in most cases, they quickly gain it back. So they gain it back once they stop being on calorie-restricted diets? This isn't a surprise to anyone. The point of any of these things, CICO or otherwise, is that you do them for your lifetime as a lifestyle change.

We have a century of evidence that calorie restriction is not a diet people can stay on. I just sourced this above. Calorie restriction alone while eating fast food, soda, cake, etc is a diet of chronic hunger/deprivation, and "become a monk with an iron will until your death" is not a reasonable "lifestyle change" to suggest. That's why "just count calories" is not the advice any respectable scientist would give an…

I have mixed feelings about this line of argument. Both sides are technically correct.

- If you burn more calories than you take in you will lose weight no matter what the source of those calories are.

- psychological, what you eat will make it easier to maintain a calorie balance and that varies based on the individual.

For me, I ate like crap from the time I was 25-35 but maintained a healthy weight and a decent physique as a part time fitness instructor who worked out 12 times a week.

I like working out so it doesn’t take discipline to work out and my wife will work out with me occasionally but she prefers going to the gym and taking classes.

I stopped working out consistently for five years and my weight ballooned.

I then tried to eat better but I couldn’t get the level of discipline necessary to lose weight.

Then we moved into a house, I converted a room into a home gym and started exercising for 2 hours a day 3-4 times a week that burned about 1500 calories per workout. I got back down to my fitness instructor weight and size in 7 months. I also had to make it point not to eat more to compensate, and only “cheat” on the weekend.

All that being said, when I was teaching and even now I tell people that they can’t exercise thier way to weight loss. Most people don’t have the stamina, the discipline, or the time to work out enough to burn 4000-5000 calories a week and maintain a calorie balance.

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