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Kombucha usually has way less sugar though. I get the brands that have 4-6grams of sugar per serving.
is it replaced in part by alcohol though?
There are small amounts of alcohol in juice too.
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#22I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…
To add, the "no sugar added" thing is wholly misleading because there are fruit concentrates that companies can add that are basically sugar substitutes. It's technically not "sugar added" but it's basically filled with healthy dollop of fructose (which is worse than sucrose but I'm too lazy to cite a reference).
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#23Ok, what if you carbonate juice, add ginger, and call it Kombucha? Is it healthy now?
No, but it's also not kombucha...
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This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.
OK... that is news to me... do you have a link to a paper that proves this demonstrably false? Disproving a law of thermodynamics sounds like a big deal. How does the new model explain people losing weight in adverse conditions? I'm watching someone steadily lose weight via calories-in-calories-out model in front of me right now.
Obviously calories matter, but there's just so much more going on than that. For example, your body's shifting metabolism. Eating certain things causes this to shift. Some people eat healthy constantly and remain overweight; others can't put on pounds no matter what they take in. That's a difference in their natural metabolisms. This is also why exercise matters beyond just the calories you burn over the course of a workout.
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#25Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.
This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.
Not the OP, but for all the people commenting below, I think what the OP means to say is that the body is a very complex system and calories from different sources absolutely do have different affects, on your ability to control fat storage and fat burning and to modulate your appetite. The laws of thermodynamics still hold - if you overeat it doesn't matter what you're eating, you will gain weight. But calories in calories out is so simplistic by comparison to reality, that it's a harmful way to look at things.
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This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.
Several people have asked for sources, so I'd like to point those people to this article, which is an easy-to-digest overview: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-teicholz-calorie-... It starts with "Since the early 1900s, medical research has shown that people do lose weight on calorie-restricted diets — in the short term. But in most cases, they quickly gain it back..." and goes onto the studies on things th…
>But in most cases, they quickly gain it back.
So they gain it back once they stop being on calorie-restricted diets? This isn't a surprise to anyone. The point of any of these things, CICO or otherwise, is that you do them for your lifetime as a lifestyle change.
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#27Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.
This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.
You're really going to have to clarify what you mean by "this." Overeating is healthy?
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.
It isn't that no one believes in that model of obestity any more. If you locked people in a cage and gave them 1,000 calories of snickers bars a day, yeah they would get lean. But what complicates the situation is that what you eat affects how much you crave food, and what foods you crave, and how much energy you have, and how you sleep, etc. Sugar seems to be bad on all of these ancillary fronts.
Well, yeah, exactly. Saying that "consuming fewer calories than you expend leads to weight loss" is obviously true, but it's a little like saying "you win a game of football by scoring more points than your opponent." While it isn't wrong it doesn't tell you that much about how to go about it.