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Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#31

Ok, what if you carbonate juice, add ginger, and call it Kombucha? Is it healthy now?

Except that carbonated juice with ginger is not Kombucha. Kombucha is a fermented beverage.

When fermented, sugars break down, hence the saying that Kombucha is vinegar soda.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

OK... that is news to me... do you have a link to a paper that proves this demonstrably false? Disproving a law of thermodynamics sounds like a big deal. How does the new model explain people losing weight in adverse conditions? I'm watching someone steadily lose weight via calories-in-calories-out model in front of me right now.

Calories in - calories out. However, what goes out (urine, stool) depends on the type of nutrition and in what combination it is eaten. carbohydrates are the easiest to absorb, followed by fats and last protein.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#34
Next, let's dispel the notion that fat is bad for you. It's the strangest thing to me to see parents feeding their kids "skim milk", which is really just milk flavored water, because whole milk "has fat" and therefore must make their children fat.

I only drank whole milk as a kid. A glass with every meal. My parents never bought any juice or soda and me and all of my siblings grew up healthy and strong with no cavities or health issues.

It makes me cringe seeing overweight children glugging down sodas, but it makes me equally sad seeing horribly skinny children who's bones could be broken by the wind.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

Go eat 5000 calories a day of veggies without becoming obese then. Just because calories isn't the only important factor in obesity does not mean its not a factor at all. Scientists are simply building a more sophisticated understanding of obesity that looks at many other factors.

I think it may be difficult to eat that much just eating vegetables.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#36
For breakfast, my wife and I squeeze a single grapefruit and single orange (the old fashioned, manual and unfiltered way, keeping any "bits") and split and drink that. It's not much to look at - a little over half a short glass each. Basically we have the juice and some of the fibre from a single piece of fruit each.

If you think about how much fruit it takes to create a 600ml bottle of juice its crazy. If you couldn't stomach eating half a dozen oranges in a sitting, why would you think that drinking that much juice at a time (sometimes multiple times a day) would be good for you?

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…

To add, the "no sugar added" thing is wholly misleading because there are fruit concentrates that companies can add that are basically sugar substitutes. It's technically not "sugar added" but it's basically filled with healthy dollop of fructose (which is worse than sucrose but I'm too lazy to cite a reference).

Grape juice is the notorious one here. It doesn't have a very strong taste on its own, so when blended basically serves as a not-technically-added-sugar source of added sugar.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#38

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Several people have asked for sources, so I'd like to point those people to this article, which is an easy-to-digest overview: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-teicholz-calorie-... It starts with "Since the early 1900s, medical research has shown that people do lose weight on calorie-restricted diets — in the short term. But in most cases, they quickly gain it back..." and goes onto the studies on things th…

>But in most cases, they quickly gain it back. So they gain it back once they stop being on calorie-restricted diets? This isn't a surprise to anyone. The point of any of these things, CICO or otherwise, is that you do them for your lifetime as a lifestyle change.

We have a century of evidence that calorie restriction is not a diet people can stay on. I just sourced this above. Calorie restriction alone while eating fast food, soda, cake, etc is a diet of chronic hunger/deprivation, and "become a monk with an iron will until your death" is not a reasonable "lifestyle change" to suggest. That's why "just count calories" is not the advice any respectable scientist would give an obese person, which I believe was @amasad's point.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#39

Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

Well, it isn't really beside the point, since some foods give you calories without making you feel full or even while making you hungrier -- for instance, juice, according to this article..

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Kombucha usually has way less sugar though. I get the brands that have 4-6grams of sugar per serving.

is it replaced in part by alcohol though?

That was going to be my suggestion. But I was thinking along the lines of orange juice, pomegranate juice and some tequila. Another interesting combo is OJ, pineapple juice, pomegranate, coconut rum and regular rum.
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