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There's another comment here in the article explaining the reason he was removed was at the request of the people who owned the property.
Easier to remove him while he is alive. If he died there it would create issues for the owners probably.
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I second this. What Kaczynski did was terrible, but he was obviously very intelligent and highly observant. Upon reading Industrial Society and its Future, it was hard for me to deny the validity(note the difference between validity and soundness) of many of his arguments. I would say it's worth reading if the reader can mentally-divorce ideas from their thinkers, and it's a fascinating read at that.
Kaczynski's lack a sense of history or worse a romanticized version of it. People were less free in pre-industrial society and more controlled not less. Despite the depictions it is important to remember that nature does not give a damn about you and life is accordingly harsh because of it.
I recommend you read his first book, "Technological Slavery" on this topic. You can check out his second book "Anti-Tech Revolution" as well, though this deals more with ecological issues in my opinion and less with human freedom.
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Kaczynski's lack a sense of history or worse a romanticized version of it. People were less free in pre-industrial society and more controlled not less. Despite the depictions it is important to remember that nature does not give a damn about you and life is accordingly harsh because of it.
Depends on what you mean by pre-industrial. I think that what you say is true for most of recorded history, but perhaps not for the paleolithic era. That was probably peak human freedom, at least in my opinion
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Depends on what you mean by pre-industrial. I think that what you say is true for most of recorded history, but perhaps not for the paleolithic era. That was probably peak human freedom, at least in my opinion
> the paleolithic era. That was probably peak human freedom, at least in my opinion A bit much no? The paleolithic era was when you'd get killed by some beast while walking through a field, killed by an arrow from some tribe nearby, or die by the age of 30 from the simple common cold. By "free" you mean less responsibility? You didn't have to work and worry about a roof over your head?
Your understanding of freedom is also problematic. Hunter-gatherers had enormous self-responsibility if the wanted to stay alive. They had to work HARD just to survive. Freedom in wilderness circumstances does not mean what it has come to mean in modern society. It implied enormous responsibility. Nowadays, modern man has lost all conception of freedom beyond days off from work so as to fritter away his time in hedonistic pursuits.
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> mentally ill Ah, and what is health ? We use this term to talk about physical health (infections, disease, cancer), mental health and also habits (eating healthy, or playing video games all day isn't healthy). This starts to get really ambiguous. You're now applying societal standards, maybe throwing a little happiness index in there ... We don't see living alone in solitude as healthy. Yet this man claims to be fi…
Health, like beauty, is averages. If you take a group of people and average them, the resulting person is very likely considered pretty and healthy. https://leadingpersonality.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/avera... https://leadingpersonality.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/average-... There are evolutionary reasons for preferring averages. And the further you deviate from average behavior, the bigger the risk you run.
For example, if you lived in the middle ages and you were a radical atheist, no doubt that under that system of education and propaganda, you would have been deemed by that society to be "mentally ill" (or similar contemporary equivalent).
The charge of "mental illness" or psychological pathology in general, has throughout history been weaponized to isolate and/or suppress politically incorrect or heretical ideas that run totally counter to the prevailing world-views.
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Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…
"find a place where he is welcome to do so." These places are disappearing rapidly from the map. There's very little wild country left, and at the rate economic growth is going, there probably wont be any left in several decades.
It’s cold and heartless.
I find this really depressing, that he is forced to abandon a lifestyle that he himself choose. I can't help but think of Ted Kaczynski who wrote along the lines that we are cogs in the social machine deprived of dignity and autonomy. The industrial society and its future: http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf
"Technological Slavery" (2010) and "Anti-Tech Revolution"(2016).
The second book is truly extraordinary and insightful. Here's a review by MIT:
"Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How is Kaczynski’s well-reasoned, cohesive composition about how revolutionary groups should approach our mercurial future….. I recommend that you read this compelling perspective on how we can frame our struggles in a technological society." -- The Tech, MIT's oldest and largest newspaper
Suddenly HN calls the entire life of an unknown man into question, denying any benefit of the doubt.
Until the post that provides the real context, of course, which is something completely unanticipated.
I find this really depressing, that he is forced to abandon a lifestyle that he himself choose. I can't help but think of Ted Kaczynski who wrote along the lines that we are cogs in the social machine deprived of dignity and autonomy. The industrial society and its future: http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf
The Netflix "documentary" (Manhunt: Unabomber) is a great watch. While it's a bit dramatised it's still a good (and short 9eps) watch.
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That's what I was guessing. But since I don't understand Japanese, I can't read the article to check. But looking at photos of the island, it doesn't look like a good place to farm. So that's what led me to believe the island and the property might not be the same thing.
> since I don’t understand Japanese, I can’t read the article to check. Sure you can! https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https... * Does my comment seem flippant or 100% unhelpful or something? I’m super confused why it’s getting downvoted to death. I understand the parent might have been asking for nuance of translation, but I meant this to be helpful; you can in fact get a pretty good sense for…
To explain the downvotes, consider that ~99% of the time when someone laments a lack of something, and someone else replies with what is essentially a LMGTFY link, it is taken as snark.
If you had instead started with "the automated translation of this particular page is better than you might think, and you can actually get meaning out of it", you'd probably have positive votes. Most people who use automated translation services have noticed how awful they are with JapaneseEnglish conversion compared to many other language pairs, so pointing out that in this case it's not so bad is a useful thing. :)