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Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by Nasrudith »

DavidNielsen wrote: post #44
gaius wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

People cite Law of Jante to be anti exceptionalism when in reality it is meant and generally used as a means of reminding high and low alike that we are in this together. We are different, but do not think that your view point on our difference makes you inherently better than me. We are both human, we both share this place called Earth, could we be productive and not turn life into a weirdly specific genitalia measu…

No offense but how unified is that interpretation and teaching? Just liks how foe instance many say Christianity is about love, nonjudgement and charity but many practice or teach radically different forms which are all about hatred, judgement and prosperity gospels. Likewise some may really be more "tyrannies of mediocrity" where doing anything positive draws harsh responses for making them self reflect and feeling envy in response.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by gaius »

DavidNielsen wrote: post #44
gaius wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

People cite Law of Jante to be anti exceptionalism when in reality it is meant and generally used as a means of reminding high and low alike that we are in this together. We are different, but do not think that your view point on our difference makes you inherently better than me. We are both human, we both share this place called Earth, could we be productive and not turn life into a weirdly specific genitalia measu…

You are allowed and encouraged to be exceptiona

Laws 1-7 and 10 state otherwise!

But this is by no means exclusively a Danish thing, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

I’m English, and here it is enforced by the class system.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by executesorder66 »

doall wrote: post #47

In an Japanese article the guy says that he was kicked out of Sotobanari island after becoming famous for showing up in a Japanese TV show; many tourists came to the island, the relatives of the owner of the property wanted to do some farming in the property, and some people were concerned that some other street people will do the same thing like him. For these reasons he was asked to leave the island. If you want to…

I don't speak Japanese. Can you explain what you mean by "the property"?

Is the property the island? And does someone else own the island, and they want to farm on the island?

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by timwaagh »

danieka wrote: post #13

I find this really depressing, that he is forced to abandon a lifestyle that he himself choose. I can't help but think of Ted Kaczynski who wrote along the lines that we are cogs in the social machine deprived of dignity and autonomy. The industrial society and its future: http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf

please read about his victims as well, https://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/04/us/unabomber-s-track-vict...

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by n4r9 »

gaius wrote: post #52
DavidNielsen wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People cite Law of Jante to be anti exceptionalism when in reality it is meant and generally used as a means of reminding high and low alike that we are in this together. We are different, but do not think that your view point on our difference makes you inherently better than me. We are both human, we both share this place called Earth, could we be productive and not turn life into a weirdly specific genitalia measu…

You are allowed and encouraged to be exceptiona Laws 1-7 and 10 state otherwise! But this is by no means exclusively a Danish thing, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality I’m English, and here it is enforced by the class system.

> Laws 1-7 and 10 state otherwise!

I disagree. OP talks about what you're allowed to be, Jante talks about what you're allowed to think.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by numbsafari »

icebraining wrote: post #7

Effective ad, even gets linked on HN.

Indeed, based on the article posted elsewhere in the thread, it sounds like the publicity this company generated for this guy is what brought him attention and got the property owner concerned that it would turn into a camp.

So, people complaining about the authorities, but the “entrepreneur” in this case should also bear some of the blame.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by grzm »

executesorder66 wrote: post #53
doall wrote: post #47

In an Japanese article the guy says that he was kicked out of Sotobanari island after becoming famous for showing up in a Japanese TV show; many tourists came to the island, the relatives of the owner of the property wanted to do some farming in the property, and some people were concerned that some other street people will do the same thing like him. For these reasons he was asked to leave the island. If you want to…

I don't speak Japanese. Can you explain what you mean by "the property"? Is the property the island? And does someone else own the island, and they want to farm on the island?

The island (or the part he’s occupying) would seem to be the property, as that would be the common understanding in English. Is there another interpretation that would make sense to you?

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by executesorder66 »

grzm wrote: post #57
executesorder66 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't speak Japanese. Can you explain what you mean by "the property"? Is the property the island? And does someone else own the island, and they want to farm on the island?

The island (or the part he’s occupying) would seem to be the property, as that would be the common understanding in English. Is there another interpretation that would make sense to you?

That's what I was guessing. But since I don't understand Japanese, I can't read the article to check.

But looking at photos of the island, it doesn't look like a good place to farm. So that's what led me to believe the island and the property might not be the same thing.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by joncrane »

DavidNielsen wrote: post #44
gaius wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

People cite Law of Jante to be anti exceptionalism when in reality it is meant and generally used as a means of reminding high and low alike that we are in this together. We are different, but do not think that your view point on our difference makes you inherently better than me. We are both human, we both share this place called Earth, could we be productive and not turn life into a weirdly specific genitalia measu…

I've always though that Law of Jante was good, while also equating it to "the tallest blade of grass gets cut first."

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by ebbv »

Timpy wrote: post #45

Imagine feeling completely one with nature, making your position clear that this is where and how you would like to die. The time comes for you to wrestle with your mortality, you've worked for 30 years to do it with dignity. You've rejected man's system, because you know it's not right for you, and in your final moments it comes for you, steals you away, and forces you back into the machine. This isn't a morally imp…

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property...

There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so.

EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave, read the article linked in the next top level comment by doall.

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