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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by aeorgnoieang »

ariwilson wrote: post #371
michaelt wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see an update saying the quote is incorrect, or that the problem has been resolved - the only update I see on the article says their videos "have been blocked worldwide without explanation" Are you looking at a different article to me?

"Last night the Youtube Support team contacted Francesco Siddi by phone. As we understand it now it’s a mix of coincidences, bad UIs, wrong error messages, ignorant support desk staff and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel."

> As we understand it now it’s ... and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel.

You still seem to be wrong. Or am I missing something else?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by aeorgnoieang »

ariwilson wrote: post #338

The comments here are more interesting than the article itself. Looks like the real issue was a UX snafu on YouTube's part that support had trouble resolving for too long. Let's hope YouTube does better in the future. However, if you read the comments here, they paint a sinister portrait of YouTube that has nothing to do with Blender's issue. Some examples: - ads are required for big channels (false) - demonetization…

It's pretty common to discuss topics other than those specifically mentioned in a linked item on Hacker News. What do you mean by "change Hacker News from an article based format to a topic based format"? What actual change would be necessary? People have, pretty much forever, commented on lots of things of varying degrees of relatedness on everything submitted to HN.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ariwilson »

aeorgnoieang wrote: post #381
ariwilson wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Last night the Youtube Support team contacted Francesco Siddi by phone. As we understand it now it’s a mix of coincidences, bad UIs, wrong error messages, ignorant support desk staff and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel."

> As we understand it now it’s ... and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel. You still seem to be wrong. Or am I missing something else?

"non-standard" != "need to enable ads"

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by admax88q »

aeorgnoieang wrote: post #381
ariwilson wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Last night the Youtube Support team contacted Francesco Siddi by phone. As we understand it now it’s a mix of coincidences, bad UIs, wrong error messages, ignorant support desk staff and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel."

> As we understand it now it’s ... and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel. You still seem to be wrong. Or am I missing something else?

The Blender videos are back up without monetization, therefore the statement "ads are required for big channels" is demonstrably false.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by [deleted] »

JetSpiegel wrote: post #303
cvwright wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I don't know. With this administration, anything is possible. There's lots of bad blood between silicon valley progressives and the Trump admin, too.

Silicon Valley progressives? Are you talking about RMS or something? Are (American) liberals automatically progressive even if they collude to lower salaries, pay less taxes, and contribute to housing bubbles? Not to mention selling to the DoD and ICE.

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #54
ucaetano wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> now is abusing that position Offering to host your videos for free and display ads along them hardly seems like "abusing that position"...

Blocking your videos and holding them hostage until you agree to a new contract would be abuse, yes.

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

Erik816 wrote: post #66
ucaetano wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, for free. You can create an account and upload as many videos as you want without paying absolutely anything. Even more, without handing over any personal information. But hey, feel free to upload your videos elsewhere.

You're giving them content they can monetize, so it's no wonder they will let you give it to them for free.

The key word is to monetize. So no monetizing and a problem. How to recoup the cost?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by rurounijones »

guelo wrote: post #250
rurounijones wrote: post #226

So I had a look at Peertube and had the friendly reminder "The sharing system used by this video implies that some technical information about your system (such as a public IP address) can be accessed publicly." Which is then expanded on in an about page: "PeerTube uses the BitTorrent protocol to share bandwidth between users. It implies that your public IP address is stored in the public BitTorrent tracker of the vi…

That's what peer to peer means.

Peertube doesn't necessarily mean "Peer to Peer with Bittorrent". The "Peer" could just refer to the federated nature of the servers.

Even then "Peer to Peer" technical details can be lost on people.

Still, kudos to them to actually bring this to the forefront but I won't be using it.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by rurounijones »

lev99 wrote: post #253
rurounijones wrote: post #226

So I had a look at Peertube and had the friendly reminder "The sharing system used by this video implies that some technical information about your system (such as a public IP address) can be accessed publicly." Which is then expanded on in an about page: "PeerTube uses the BitTorrent protocol to share bandwidth between users. It implies that your public IP address is stored in the public BitTorrent tracker of the vi…

Is there a reason I don't want to expose my public IP address? Every server I connect to knows my IP address. Connecting to bittorrent would give you the following information: * Key (IP) to connect to other data sources (but joins will be dirty, IP addresses change, people use multiple ip address, multiple people use the same ip address). * ISP name * Rough location (mine says I'm in a suburb about 20 miles away, wh…

> Is there a reason I don't want to expose my public IP address?

Yes, I like my privacy.

> Every server I connect to knows my IP address.

And in this case it is every server plus every peer which is a much larger number of people having this information.

> * Key (IP) to connect to other data sources (but joins will be dirty, IP addresses change, people use multiple ip address, multiple people use the same ip address).

Not always. IP addresses can be correlated with other data sources. IP Addresses changing depends on the ISP. People using multiple IP addresses isn't always the case. Multiple people using the same IP address is not always the case.

> There is no PII

IP addresses can be PII depending on who you talk to. e.g. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/10/eu-dynamic-stati...

This is just another chink in the armour of online privacy no matter how noble the intentions.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by kop316 »

ariwilson wrote: post #372
kop316 wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not seeing this update you are referring to, it looks like it stops after Update 2.

Not your article, the original article: "Last night the Youtube Support team contacted Francesco Siddi by phone. As we understand it now it’s a mix of coincidences, bad UIs, wrong error messages, ignorant support desk staff and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel."

I see it now (sorry the comment was confusing to me).

To your original comment, Yes, in this case it was a "UX snafu". In the future, how many of those will actually be fixed? Will YouTube look at other instances for smaller ones where there won't be a social media backlash? Or will it be business as usual until YouTube gets enough bas PR again to manually fix it again and still nothing gets fixed?

The reason that the comments in Hacker News are what they are is because of much deeper issues between YouTube and content creators. YouTube and Google have had many customer support issues in the past, it seems that YouTube has burned a lot of good will with a lot of content creators, and the only way to truly get to them is via "social media shaming".

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