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YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by kchr »

gnulinux wrote: post #148
local_yokel wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people with a signal processing background, this is actually a very trivial thing. The basic technique has been in use for probably a hundred years - radar being a classical example - nothing at all to do with Google. Basically, you can get a signal-to-noise ratio improvement proportional to the duration of the signal you're attempting to detect (in this case, audio), thus allowing you to detect very weak signals…

This is very true. In UC Berkeley, the very first linear algebra course all EE/CS freshman take (EE 16A) has a lab that does EXACTLY this. You match part of a song with some very noisy sound. If freshmen are taught to do this, it's easily something Google can do.

Still, it is quite incredible for us laypersons :-)

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Post by BlackFly »

kartan wrote: post #137
dwheeler wrote: post #119

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Here are some additional links about it, esp. article 13. It demonstrates a dreadful lack of understanding of the follow-on consequences: https://boingboing.net/2018/06/07/thanks-axel-voss.html http://www.wired.co.uk/article/eu-meme-war-article-13-regula... http://melonfarmers.co.uk/eu.htm http://www.alphr.com/politics/1009470/article-13-EU-what-is-...

> The Article stipulates that platforms should “prevent the availability” of protected works, suggesting these ISSPs will need to adopt technology that can recognise and filter work created by someone other than the person uploading it. But there is no requirement that at the same time protects fair use. To remove content just in case has no negative consequences. > Article 13 is “incompatible with the guarantee of f…

> This looks like a one-sided law.

Yet the law says:

> Those measures, such as the use of effective content recognition technologies, shall be appropriate and proportionate.

Ignoring fair use is neither appropriate nor proportionate. Also, taking someone's works down falsely would be a violation of this same article, since the content provider is obligated to

> take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rightholders for the use of their works

which obviously precludes YouTube from just deleting your content on a false positive and not providing you with any recourse. Furthermore, article 13 only applies to

> providers that store and provide to the public access to large amounts of works

and not smaller companies. The whole article basically sums up the idea: work together.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by Silhouette »

avs733 wrote: post #162
garmaine wrote: post #149

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> I've always felt like false assertion of copyright should cause the loss of copyright. Seems like a fair balance for me. I don’t understand. I put out a takedown request for something I don’t have the copyrights to and as a result the real copyright holder loses their copyright? How is that fair?

I hold copyright on the song "I OWN THE COPYRIGHT ON THIS SONG" You use my song in a fair use way I claim you are infringing my copyright you challenge, I fail to prove my case I lose copyright on the song and it enters the public domain.

Merely attempting to enforce a copyright that you legitimately hold against one instance that might be fair use, and then having a court find in a real case that it was fair use, would be enough to lose copyright of the work entirely in your view?

That's so disproportionate that you might as well just abolish copyright.

Also, most of the world doesn't have fair use like the US does, though many places have similar but weaker provisions in some respects. US fair use law is somewhat controversial, because it arguably doesn't comply with international obligations.

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Post by icebraining »

briandear wrote: post #160
eftychis wrote: post #132

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That. CAPTCHAs are used as free labour. The only reason you don't see them everywhere is because people would stop using Google.

Why do site owners use Google CAPTCHA? Even Cloudflare uses it. I resent being forced to help Google when not even on a Google site. I won’t put any of my stuff on Cloudflare specifically because they force people to help train Google’s image recognition.

Why do site owners use Google CAPTCHA?

Because it's free, reasonably hard to beat by bots and reasonably low-effort for the user if they let Google track them (enabling the single-checkbox captcha).

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Post by icebraining »

doh wrote: post #97

Let me first say that this law is taking too far. There is a need for better legislation around copyright, but this one is just moving the needle from platforms abusing copyright to rights holders abusing the platforms. However the situation around YouTube is not a direct consequence of poor technology, but rather poor policies. YouTube built 2 separate products, a) Content ID (CID), b) partnership program. CID is th…

They can, will, and have. ContentID came after the Viacom lawsuit.

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Post by akavel »

haywirez wrote: post #20

As you might know, this is related to the disastrous EU copyright reform directive proposal that would mandate such filters put in place everywhere. Please don't be complacent, it's very important to do something about this. At risk of repeating my comment[0] from 3 days ago, I'd like to appeal to you to contact the MEPs that will vote on Wednesday in the EU's JURI committee. This was the first time I called politici…

Thanks for your post and report; it made me think that my voice could actually make a difference and I just called, using the Mozilla tool! I got to speak with an actual person and in my native language. The guy seemed to know what's their stance and not to will discussing it, but he for sure mentioned taking note that they got some 6000 emails and also many phones. Anyway, I'm super happy I phoned, I talked with a real person, and the Mozilla website was super easy to use :)

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Post by ehecatl »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #152
test6554 wrote: post #92

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Google and YouTube have a more than $60 million solution in place that everyone hates. But that is more than potential competitors have. If it passes, they will surely benefit.

There's a parallel in the tobacco industry of how seemingly harmful policies are actually beneficial for certain parties. Philip Morris, the manufacturers of Marlboro cigarettes, lobbied in favour of laws restricting tobacco advertising. The logic behind this is that they have such strong brand name recognition, if tobacco advertising was banned they'd cement their position as the market leader, as there would be no…

I had never thought of that. That's cynical genius of the highest order. AND they get to play the moral high-ground card of "seriously, we're sorry! We're on your side-- look at what we're doing to help!"

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by barrkel »

henrikeh wrote: post #168
barrkel wrote: post #165

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No, that's not what's being argued will happen. I own the copyright on the song X. Person A uses the song X in a fair use way. Person B claims A is infringing. Person A challenges and wins. Then I lose my copyright, without any involvement?

You are replying to the person who proposed the “lose copyright” idea.

That's exactly right. The person repeated the concept, in a comment dated later than the other replies to the original; I tried to clarify why it wouldn't work.

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Post by thinkingemote »

ravenstine wrote: post #57
nkrisc wrote: post #42

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Out of curiosity, what sorts of channels/content are you backing up?

People have a tendency to misundertand everything I do, so I'd rather not get into specifics, but in summary: - Intellectual discussions - Fan made instrumentals and remixes (especially for Rammstein) - Found footage, old shows, and other nostalgic material from VHS tapes. (wouldn't surprise me if they get flagged for having Folgers commercials from 1993) - Random funny videos with swearing or vulgar language Not a w…

How do you back up these? Just to a drive on your PC? To a network drive / server etc?

And what software do you use? Streamlink?

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