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Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by rocqua »

_bxg1 wrote: post #58

I don't understand why no other video platform has broken into YouTube's market share, after the last couple years' constant stream of PR disasters which mostly have to do with the scale of the platform

Beyond the issues of infrastructure cost and litigious publishers as mentioned by others, there is also the user base.

If users are on YT, that is where the content creators will be. And if the content creators are on YT, that is where the users are. Moreover, users have curated lists of subscriptions and creators have large lists of material. Finally, YT has access to a lot of data on viewing behavior, and likes. This means YT should be a lot better at recommending videos to users.

Finally, the creators that most want to switch to an alternative are those who are the most censored. These tend to be more controversial, which means these alternative services gather controversial content. This tends to give these places a bad reputation which pushes away the non-controversial content.

The best bet would probably to take a non-controversial niche, start there, and try and integrate well with YT to keep down switching costs. Its still hard to provide actual added value to such a niche. Alternatively one might take a controversial niche with wide acceptance. For example, gun channels or LGBTQ+ channels. Both are currently demonetized, but both are still widely accepted in broad swathes of society.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by rando444 »

cowpig wrote: post #110
haywirez wrote: post #20

As you might know, this is related to the disastrous EU copyright reform directive proposal that would mandate such filters put in place everywhere. Please don't be complacent, it's very important to do something about this. At risk of repeating my comment[0] from 3 days ago, I'd like to appeal to you to contact the MEPs that will vote on Wednesday in the EU's JURI committee. This was the first time I called politici…

Would you mind linking to some information about what the proposal is, why it's bad, what the alternatives are, etc?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/06/internet-luminaries-ri...

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by piokoch »

haywirez wrote: post #20

As you might know, this is related to the disastrous EU copyright reform directive proposal that would mandate such filters put in place everywhere. Please don't be complacent, it's very important to do something about this. At risk of repeating my comment[0] from 3 days ago, I'd like to appeal to you to contact the MEPs that will vote on Wednesday in the EU's JURI committee. This was the first time I called politici…

That might help, however, for some reason I don't understand, this proposal hasn't created an outrage similar to the one we had seen before ACTA.

EU "wisely" has chosen voting time to be in the middle of FIFA Soccer World Cup, so many people are just sitting watching matches. This is also almost the beginning of the holiday season and many people are just relaxing, travelling, etc.

Apparently someone really needs that regulation to go through (hopefully it will not).

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by TylerE »

narrator wrote: post #85
vezycash wrote: post #3

YouTube seems to be more of a monopoly than Google Search. If only Facebook created a dedicated site for Facebook videos. Fbtube, fbv.com... Microsoft has a YouTube like service but limits it to enterprise. Since video hosting is such a resource intensive undertaking, I wonder why many free porn sites don't have outages and have no limit on uploads for free users - unlike YouTube competitors.

There's also bitchute.com and d.tube as credible youtube alternatives.

For very loose values of credible.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by adjkant »

ben_w wrote: post #101
avs733 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always felt like false assertion of copyright should cause the loss of copyright. Seems like a fair balance for me. And before someone gets on me...I realize that these are automated filters that are rarely asserted by the actual copyright holder.

I agree with the sentiment, but I think in practice that would lead to something like patent trolls — organizations designed no face no threat from the normal consequences. Plain old money based fines should work. Even a tiny fixed fee of $50 per error might be enough, given the scale of the internet.

I really like the per error idea - allows for large cases to have no barrier to contest but for the whole thing to not become like patent trolling. Maybe also some sort of threshold for mass cases, like a progressive taxation:

If you're right 95% of the time, you get a discount. If you're wrong 50% of the time, you pay the full fee.

Who would be in charge of setting these?

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by paulie_a »

mjevans wrote: post #99
tzs wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the DMCA requirements, it doesn't appear like it would require a lot of human intervention. 1. Copyright owner provides written notification of the alleged infringement. The notification has to provide reasonably sufficient information to allow Google to locate the alleged infringing material; provide contact information for the claimant; include a statement that the claimant has a good faith believe that…

The problem is a lack of liability for the content creators. Confusion can happen (such as particular renditions of a work who's basis is public domain information (IE a classical music score)), but willful lies should be punished with actual consequences. Right now things are stacked entirely against one class of content creators (video creators). Additionally if I'm a public institution or someone else that's again…

Will fill abuse of enforcement should invalidate the copyright entirety...it becomes public domain. Repeated violation revoke all copyrights under your control.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by local_yokel »

avian wrote: post #69
reificator wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen nature videos where there's no sound but the birds chirping, and YouTube is still able to hear someone playing All-Star on Mars and flag the video. It's really incredible tech. EDIT: The article actually mentions some similar examples: http://c4sif.org/2012/02/youtube-identifies-birdsong-as-copy...

I got a copyright strike once for a video with no apparent reason. After closer inspection, I could in fact hear a radio playing somewhere in the background if I really turned up the volume. I found it incredible that YouTube’s algorithm was able to pick it up at that signal-to-noise ratio.

For people with a signal processing background, this is actually a very trivial thing. The basic technique has been in use for probably a hundred years - radar being a classical example - nothing at all to do with Google. Basically, you can get a signal-to-noise ratio improvement proportional to the duration of the signal you're attempting to detect (in this case, audio), thus allowing you to detect very weak signals in the presence of strong noise or other unwanted signals. Look up "pulse compression" or "correlation detection" if you're interested.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by QasimK »

cowpig wrote: post #110
haywirez wrote: post #20

As you might know, this is related to the disastrous EU copyright reform directive proposal that would mandate such filters put in place everywhere. Please don't be complacent, it's very important to do something about this. At risk of repeating my comment[0] from 3 days ago, I'd like to appeal to you to contact the MEPs that will vote on Wednesday in the EU's JURI committee. This was the first time I called politici…

Would you mind linking to some information about what the proposal is, why it's bad, what the alternatives are, etc?

https://juliareda.eu/eu-copyright-reform/

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by dwheeler »

cowpig wrote: post #110
haywirez wrote: post #20

As you might know, this is related to the disastrous EU copyright reform directive proposal that would mandate such filters put in place everywhere. Please don't be complacent, it's very important to do something about this. At risk of repeating my comment[0] from 3 days ago, I'd like to appeal to you to contact the MEPs that will vote on Wednesday in the EU's JURI committee. This was the first time I called politici…

Would you mind linking to some information about what the proposal is, why it's bad, what the alternatives are, etc?

Here are some additional links about it, esp. article 13. It demonstrates a dreadful lack of understanding of the follow-on consequences:

https://boingboing.net/2018/06/07/thanks-axel-voss.html

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/eu-meme-war-article-13-regula...

http://melonfarmers.co.uk/eu.htm

http://www.alphr.com/politics/1009470/article-13-EU-what-is-...

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by jlykins »

ravenstine wrote: post #57
nkrisc wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what sorts of channels/content are you backing up?

People have a tendency to misundertand everything I do, so I'd rather not get into specifics, but in summary: - Intellectual discussions - Fan made instrumentals and remixes (especially for Rammstein) - Found footage, old shows, and other nostalgic material from VHS tapes. (wouldn't surprise me if they get flagged for having Folgers commercials from 1993) - Random funny videos with swearing or vulgar language Not a w…

I've been thinking a lot lately about how various small internet subcultures and communities that I've been a part of have been lost to the void. It's one of those things that makes me a special kind of sad and nostalgic.

Would you be at all interested in software that helps to construct a permanent showcase of the stuff that matters to you? It would handle things like archiving to enable a focus on curation and presentation.

I've been thinking of making something like this because services like the internet archive don't seem quite right. There's no context. I just worry that nobody would be interested in doing the work of providing that context.

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