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Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by kakarot »

ravenstine wrote: post #4

I know this is just filtering for now, but I've been backing up entire channels for fear they'll one day disappear because global policy or legacy media conglomerates won't allow for it. I imagine the "you" in YouTube will be mostly gone in the next decade. The writing's on the wall.

Same here. Backing up a lot of channels I like but also lots of music videos, interviews, live shows, informational videos, etc.

Hopefully the next great online video service will have support for displaying the original encoding for uploaded videos, saving them all another generation of quality degradation due to transcoding.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by eftychis »

jstanley wrote: post #86
mygo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

today in order to do a Google search I had to prove to Google that I wasn’t a robot. And even though I did it right the second time, they still made me do it a third time. I just remember sitting there going, Google, I actually am a human and your AI sucks so if I have to tap on storefronts and cars one more time to do a freaking Google search then I’m just using Bing.

It's partly checking that you're a human. It's partly using you for free labour to train their next generation of SkyNet. We've reached a point with CAPTCHAs (originally conceived as a way for humans to exert their will over machines) where the machines are now setting tasks for the humans, and the humans are carrying out the tasks without putting up too much of a fight.

That. CAPTCHAs are used as free labour. The only reason you don't see them everywhere is because people would stop using Google.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by userbinator »

jedberg wrote: post #18

I saw a great "joke" the other day. It said, "If Shazam or Siri can't identify a song for you, make a quick video and upload it to YouTube. Within a few seconds you'll get a copyright takedown telling you the name of the song".

I actually tried that and got a name of a song, and it wasn't a takedown but an agreement to monetise (i.e. add ads, which I didn't have much of a problem), except that it was the completely wrong song. Naturally, that song was also available to listen to in a few other YouTube videos, and the only thing that they had in common with mine was a generic-sounding section of 120bpm bass drum. The melody, the duration, everything else was different.

I disputed, explicitly pointing to the other ones which I assume was identified correctly and how they had basically nothing in common with my video, even explaining that I'd be perfectly fine with it being monetised if it was actually the right one, and was... (not) surprisingly denied. I have a feeling that either no humans were involved at all, or if one were, it did not listen or have any common sense. In the end, I just deleted the video.

Now that I think about it, perhaps reuploading with the (wrongly) detected name, letting it monetise, and show up in search results might be a better idea --- at least that will make it more likely for others to stumble across it, listen, and possibly leave comments like "this isn't X, it's Y"...

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by oliveshell »

reificator wrote: post #32
michaelsjoeberg wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have been doing the same, in particular unofficial music remixes, which likely will disappear at some point and not allowed on spotify etc.

If we lose Mouth Moods[0] it will be a horrific cultural loss for the internet itself. Bustin' actually came up next on my "everything" playlist while I was typing this comment. [0]: http://www.neilcic.com/mouthmoods/

Thankfully— at least in this case— Neil offering the album as a free lossless download on his website means countless archival-quality copies are saved on PCs the world over!

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by userbinator »

ravenstine wrote: post #35
michaelsjoeberg wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have been doing the same, in particular unofficial music remixes, which likely will disappear at some point and not allowed on spotify etc.

There's a lot of fan made instrumentals out there(of astounding quality) that I've been archiving for fear of losing forever. I learned my lesson after Nintendo went berzerk and requested takedowns for gameplay videos and walkthroughs; smashrockgroin's series for Goldeneye 64 was both funny and informative when playing that game, but now those videos are gone forever. I've vowed never to buy a Nintendo product again…

I learned my lesson after Nintendo went berzerk and requested takedowns for gameplay videos and walkthroughs

Going after pirates and such I can sort of understand, but people enjoying your product (and obviously helping to promote it)? WTF.

It reminds me of the complete opposite of this old meme: http://lurkmore.so/images/9/94/360_Kid.jpg

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by kartan »

dwheeler wrote: post #119
cowpig wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind linking to some information about what the proposal is, why it's bad, what the alternatives are, etc?

Here are some additional links about it, esp. article 13. It demonstrates a dreadful lack of understanding of the follow-on consequences: https://boingboing.net/2018/06/07/thanks-axel-voss.html http://www.wired.co.uk/article/eu-meme-war-article-13-regula... http://melonfarmers.co.uk/eu.htm http://www.alphr.com/politics/1009470/article-13-EU-what-is-...

> The Article stipulates that platforms should “prevent the availability” of protected works, suggesting these ISSPs will need to adopt technology that can recognise and filter work created by someone other than the person uploading it.

But there is no requirement that at the same time protects fair use. To remove content just in case has no negative consequences.

> Article 13 is “incompatible with the guarantee of fundamental rights and freedoms and the obligation to strike a fair balance between all rights and freedoms involved”

This looks like a one-sided law. It takes into account "authors rights", you can read it as big media conglomerates financial interests, over any other consideration.

This is an example of a law that puts some companies profit over any social consideration and will impact EU socially and economically in a negative way.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by userbinator »

JackCh wrote: post #122
narrator wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also bitchute.com and d.tube as credible youtube alternatives.

Very annoyingly youtube-dl refuses to support bitchute for reasons that aren't exactly clear: https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/issues/14052 If I can't get data off bitchute easily using de facto standard tools (I get that I could use a bittorrent client, but that's beyond the point), I have little interest in putting data on it.

It's open-source so... just fork it.

(I know you're not a developer, but this is a perfect use-case for forking and continuing.)

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by ucaetano »

vezycash wrote: post #3

YouTube seems to be more of a monopoly than Google Search. If only Facebook created a dedicated site for Facebook videos. Fbtube, fbv.com... Microsoft has a YouTube like service but limits it to enterprise. Since video hosting is such a resource intensive undertaking, I wonder why many free porn sites don't have outages and have no limit on uploads for free users - unlike YouTube competitors.

This isn't a competition problem: Any competitor that gets big enough to challenge YT will attract the same scrutiny from content rights owners. and will face the same copyright issues that YT does.

The problem isn't in the content hosting industry, it is on the policy & legal side.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by ucaetano »

_bxg1 wrote: post #58

I don't understand why no other video platform has broken into YouTube's market share, after the last couple years' constant stream of PR disasters which mostly have to do with the scale of the platform

Because it ties in two barriers to entry that have rarely existed together before: minimum efficiency scale and network effects.

Facebook only has network effects, there isn't anything particularly efficient or advanced about what it does. Given its minuscule infrastructure when compared to Google and Amazon, it would be very hard for it to achieve the same level of cost that Google has on YT. Pure search doesn't rely so much on scale as well.

Any other provider doesn't have either the network effects that YT does nor the scale to be able to compete with Google on YT.

From a scale perspective, the only companies who could effectively compete with Google would be Microsoft and Amazon. Microsoft is still trying to figure itself out, especially on the consumer side. Amazon is geographically limited and has very little expertise in open content and ad-funded platforms, but it is trying with Twitch.

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