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Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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No, it's a good example; why is the app obliged to show ads any more than browsers aren't?

Because the browsers (users actually) are, but it’s not practical to send a cease and desist for a TOS violation to every user.

No, they're not. User choice over what a browser loads has been part of the web from the very beginning.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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post #97

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An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

Didn't that Microsoft app not show YouTube ads? Seems like a pretty different scenario when you're ripping another company off.

I may be wrong, but from what I remember, it didn't show add because Google refused to allow access to the official API in order to show ads. It kind of forced Microsoft's hand.

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"Amazon will stop selling Nest smart home devices, escalating its war with Google" http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-wont-sell-nest-product... Sounds like the same behavior. Google has been known to replace whole other start-up services or de-list them.

I can buy a Nest Thermostat from any of thousands of websites and it would work just fine in my home. I can't even get a Steam Link app for free from anyone and have it work effortlessly on my iOS device. These two are not the same, no matter which side you are on.

Perhaps I'm not understanding the matter but I don't understand how this is different than what Microsoft faced with IE.

This is seemingly worse since at least you could still install Netscape back then.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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I'm not sure anything has angered me as a long-time Apple fan (seriously, since 1984) this much (because I've also been a gamer at least that long).

This is some creepy-[girl/boy]friend level of control.

Congratulations, you've succeeded in pissing off any Apple fan who enjoys gaming while thinking that a PC app running on the phone with some amount of latency and resolution loss (not to mention likely illegible onscreen UI elements depending on how things are rendered) is somehow going to compete with a native iOS app.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Probably because it's off topic meta noise, like complaints about paywalls. You'd probably be better served by emailing hn@ycombinator.com.

I mean, the URL was changed, it seems. I was more questioning the ghosting of the comment in spite of upvotes, without any kind of notice/reasoning. "Troll" comments get removed with an explanation.

Yes but when something is obviously off topic, that should be explanation enough. On HN we try to respect readers' intelligence and make no attempt to spell everything out, which would be tedious.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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post #181

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I can buy a Nest Thermostat from any of thousands of websites and it would work just fine in my home. I can't even get a Steam Link app for free from anyone and have it work effortlessly on my iOS device. These two are not the same, no matter which side you are on.

There are more non-iOS phones out there than iOS phones. I think this is why Apple isn’t too concerned about “monopoly” talk right now. (No, a “monopoly” on Apple products is not an illegal thing.)

Yes it is. Pretty much the same case was when Microsoft bundled internet explorer by default in Windows, which was detrimental to Netscape Navigator.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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post #181

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There are more non-iOS phones out there than iOS phones. I think this is why Apple isn’t too concerned about “monopoly” talk right now. (No, a “monopoly” on Apple products is not an illegal thing.)

Yes it is. Pretty much the same case was when Microsoft bundled internet explorer by default in Windows, which was detrimental to Netscape Navigator.

At that time virtually everyone was using windows though. There wasn't a competitor like Android is for iOS.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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At the same time (as an example) I have something like 150 movies I've bought on iTunes that I cannot bring to any other platform. So Apple locks-in users to their platform (as is everyone else) then they are using the control they have over their user base to lock out competition. This is the very definition of anti-competitive behavior.

Apple has been very clear that they would prefer to sell open formats, they managed to convince the music labels but not the video industry. So is your position that they should have refused to sell movies with those restrictions? If so, how do you reconcile that with you choosing to buy them?

Oy, it's an example, but I'll bite...

Apple does not make their services available on anything other than Apple devices, nor do they allow other providers on their devices.

Regardless of an open format for the content, I cannot choose to use another service without also completely changing platforms, and if I change platforms I cannot use Apple's service.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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post #144

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I don't blame anyone if they don't want to support Edge/IE. Microsoft's browsers are horrible to develop for. Personally I'd be much happier if more of my users would switch to Chrome.

I understand how you feel, but no. Having been a FF/NS/Mozilla browser user since the 90s, I know it's not nice to be treated like a 2nd class citizen. However, unlike the current Edge/IE users, I made a choice.

The IE/Edge users also made a choice.

Not voting is a choice. Not educating yourself is a choice.

Choices have consequences.

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