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Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by MrRadar »

criley2 wrote: post #78
stephenr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The concept of amp is google trying to control the web. Also, my understanding is that all amp pages have to load the required js from an amp project cdn, which is ultimately a google cdn. And yes, it most definitely does load slower for me - I have nothing but a blank white page for several seconds.

>And yes, it most definitely does load slower for me - I have nothing but a blank white page for several seconds. This is quite obviously an error state, likely caused by an extension of yours. Have you tried using Amp in a fresh install of a different browser? Using different network settings? It seems very likely that you are the reason amp doesn't work for you. And this is coming from an amp hater.

The issue is that for some reason amp usually seems to block the content from being displayed until the javascript loads, which strikes me as the exact opposite of what an "accelerated mobile page" should do (almost like it was designed by an advertising company wanting to discourage ad blockers...). You can bypass it by activating reader mode in your browser.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by rightos »

int_19h wrote: post #97
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

Didn't that Microsoft app not show YouTube ads? Seems like a pretty different scenario when you're ripping another company off.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

Considering Valve's recent shenanigans regarding visual novels, it's hard not to laugh about this. As the RPS article put it: "Ah, it’s terrible when a digital store approve your products then turn around and removes ’em."

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by bilbo0s »

int_19h wrote: post #97
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

Touché.

When I calm down and think about it a bit, the original commenter's assertion that apple controls the app market is also flawed. I haven't checked the data lately myself, but I believe that most people use apps on android phones. (It's probably just that not many people on android like to PAY. Which can't really be said to be apple's fault.)

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Post by krisdol »

LiquidFlux wrote: post #66
falsedan wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so TeamViewer, Remote Desktop etc. are all banned

If they were wrapped up in a single package that was marketed towards buying and playing those games, using the same logic they quite probably would be.

So steam should release a game streaming app that’s separate from a store app.

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Post by canuckintime »

pragone wrote: post #101
Haydos585x2 wrote: post #90

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My understanding of Kindle and Audible on iOS is that Amazon does not _sell_ content on the iOS apps. You can only download/access your content. I always found this annoying with Audible and having to use my laptop to purchase and then download in the app. I haven't had an iPhone in a few years but I think the Steam app was similar.

I always assumed this was because Amazon didn't want to have to pay the 30% or whatever cost to Apple for in-app purchases.

Precisely. Amazon's Kindle app actually predated Apple's in-app purchasing mechanics. Apple forced Amazon to remove the already in use in-app Kindle store after Apple started charging 30%

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Post by matwood »

jakubp wrote: post #80
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

Is there Amazon Kindle app for iOS? If there is, isn't it the exact same type of app as Steam Link? Access your content library, buy more content. If Apple lets Amazon do this (presumably because Amazon is too big to ignore) and won't let Steam do it (because Steam isn't big enough), then this feels more like a cartel than monopoly.

There is, but the way the Apple app store rules work is that if you are purchasing something for use in the current app, it must go through the IAP API and give Apple their cut. Purchases for things outside the app (like physical items) are fine.

The way this works with Amazon, is in the Amazon store app a user can buy ebooks/audiobooks (along with anything else Amazon sells), and then those books are sent to the Kindle app on iOS. There is no option to buy content directly in the Kindle app.

I also believe the apps cannot directly link to each other as that would circumvent the above.

EDIT

I just checked (it had been awhile) and it looks like you can no longer buy the books within the Amazon store app either, and can only get a sample.

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Post by [deleted] »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by jenscow »

salvar wrote: post #54
LUmBULtERA wrote: post #2

They've just made a huge mistake. Upset the hardcore gamers market to stop essentially a remote desktop app?

How are you expecting the hardcore gamers market to retaliate against Apple?

They will post on forums threatening to throw their iPhones away.

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Post by salvar »

criley2 wrote: post #88
letsgetphysITal wrote: post #57

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Submit a complaint. You didn't accept the terms, and they breached GDPR by not offering an alternative without tracking.

This makes no sense. Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. That's how they pay for the "free" content you wish to consume without paying. Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? It seems like a hard block on all Europeans visiting websites like this would be better (and totally legal, these are private servers with a terms of use, accessin…

> Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay?

Yes, I believe that was the stated purpose of the legislation.

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