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Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by jk2323 »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #156
jk2323 wrote: post #146

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Look. Posting on facebook "lets lynch some {ni..ers, Jews, Arabs, minority of your choice} also gets you into trouble with the law in the states. I doubt that anyone claims this is free speech. But questioning the Open borders situation in Europe Germany in public (speak facebook) that is BLUNTLY violating German law and Dublin III regulation is what gets you blocked. It is a left wing junta in the final stages that…

Oh, so all of those politicians and right wingers who are calling for hermetically closing the borders and imposing special laws on immigrants have all been fined and/or put in jail? That's great news! Why hadn't I heard about this before? Perhaps because it's complete nonsense? Left wing junta? With a Christian conservative chancellor and completely ineffectual so-called left wing parties? That's hilarious. Germany…

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Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by jk2323 »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #158
jk2323 wrote: post #145

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30 days blocks are handed out solely by Facebook's own hand. It has nothing to do with this law. You're linking to Breitbart and similar sites. Those are not credible sources. And please, I'm not a fan of Merkel either. So I don't know what you're on about.

"30 days blocks are handed out solely by Facebook's own hand. It has nothing to do with this law."

It was agreed on with the ruling junta and the "Antonio Amadeus foundation" is intermingling with this.

"You're linking to Breitbart and similar sites. " For all things claimed you can find other sources, I used the first google result. You can find them also in your beloved Spiegel.

Do you want to see her picture where she is working for the state security and is observing a dissident? I can post it.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by js8 »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #168
Fins wrote: post #161

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So while you are intolerant to Nazis (who you will define yourself) will you be making an exception for yourself, or will you not tolerate your own intolerance to wrongthink?

That discussion has been had so many times, it's not even funny. Of course you should not tolerate intolerance, that's not even up for discussion anymore. And no, you obviously shouldn't attack people for "wrongthink". You have to attack them for acts , not for thoughts. Standing up in public and calling for violence and persecution against people is an act , not a thought.

"Standing up in public and calling for violence and persecution against people is an act, not a thought."

I don't understand why our reaction to that should be also violent, why cannot we, as you write, "swiftly and decisively", collectively ignore that act.

On one hand, you deny that society has moral agency, because you think that this is not an alternative. On the other hand, you want the society to act, as if it had a moral agency. So which is it?

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by mantas »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #170
mantas wrote: post #162

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I couldn't agree more that "the Right" is retarded. What drives me mad is both "the Right" and "the Left" is different sides of the same coin. Both has their fair share of retards and genuinely good people. Both point of views have both pros and cons. Yet few bad apples on both sides seems to be stopping everybody else from productive discourse. What is funny, "the Right" was getting more flack for quite a while. Thu…

You're making a clear appeal to "the truth is in the middle, both sides are good/bad, only centrists have it right", which is nonsense. Reality and objective truth leans more to the left, in comparison to the current political climate, which is unfortunately skewing to the right in a lot of countries.

Nah, I don't like ideology-less centrists either. IMO to function as a society we need to cherry-pick good ideas from left and right. Elections from both left and right (not from centrists) is a good way to find the balance good for the given moment. And it's definitely different at different points of socioeconomic cycle. E.g. economic downtown might need more right wing policies to get businesses back on track, while surplus times may be used to help the poor and cool the economy at the same time.

> Reality and objective truth leans more to the left

Now that's truly objective and unbiased! I don't see how "objective truth" is closer to the left than to the right. Both of these are subjective choices of the people. One of them is not inherently better or worse. Taken to extremes, both are full of shit.

I've to agree that today people are leaning to the left. Democracy is less and less important according to polls and people seem to prefer nanny state. Which is sad.

> which is unfortunately skewing to the right in a lot of countries

It's skewing to weird mix of worst of both left and right. E.g. socialdemocrats in many countries gave up their fight for the working class. To the point that they themselves push neoliberal pro-big-business laws. Yet right seems to be adopting more and more "socially aware" policies. Which skews the whole balance of liberty-vs-nanny-state to the later a lot. Yet nobody is taking care of labour-vs-business balance.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

js8 wrote: post #173
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That discussion has been had so many times, it's not even funny. Of course you should not tolerate intolerance, that's not even up for discussion anymore. And no, you obviously shouldn't attack people for "wrongthink". You have to attack them for acts , not for thoughts. Standing up in public and calling for violence and persecution against people is an act , not a thought.

"Standing up in public and calling for violence and persecution against people is an act, not a thought." I don't understand why our reaction to that should be also violent, why cannot we, as you write, "swiftly and decisively", collectively ignore that act. On one hand, you deny that society has moral agency, because you think that this is not an alternative. On the other hand, you want the society to act, as if it…

Because such public speeches lead directly to violence against minorities. This has been shown again and again throughout human history.

If we do not act and do not speak out against them or even attack them, we are tacitly saying "well, they might have a point", and that leads to unacceptable acceptance of intolerant acts.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

jk2323 wrote: post #171
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, so all of those politicians and right wingers who are calling for hermetically closing the borders and imposing special laws on immigrants have all been fined and/or put in jail? That's great news! Why hadn't I heard about this before? Perhaps because it's complete nonsense? Left wing junta? With a Christian conservative chancellor and completely ineffectual so-called left wing parties? That's hilarious. Germany…

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Your obvious bias is severely clouding your judgment.

Merkel is solidly centre to centre-right. The only reason she seems "left" to you, is because she doesn't support the frothing-at-the-mouth rabid nationalism that AfD espouse.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

jk2323 wrote: post #172
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

30 days blocks are handed out solely by Facebook's own hand. It has nothing to do with this law. You're linking to Breitbart and similar sites. Those are not credible sources. And please, I'm not a fan of Merkel either. So I don't know what you're on about.

"30 days blocks are handed out solely by Facebook's own hand. It has nothing to do with this law." It was agreed on with the ruling junta and the "Antonio Amadeus foundation" is intermingling with this. "You're linking to Breitbart and similar sites. " For all things claimed you can find other sources, I used the first google result. You can find them also in your beloved Spiegel. Do you want to see her picture where…

Why don't you find some real and credible sources, instead of random Google hits. You can find support for absolutely anything on the internet, but that does not make it objectively true.

Your whole shtick of calling the sitting government a "junta" and calling Merkel a stasi agent (with absolutely no credible proof to show for it).

I don't even particularly like Merkel, although I will admit she is a very talented politician.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by Eridrus »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #155
s_m_t wrote: post #147

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"kicking" is an interesting euphemism. Even if it were true that fascism "kicked" downwards and socialism "kicked" upwards, what the egregious socialist and fascist governments of the 20th century did wasn't just kicking. It was often quite literally rape, torture, murder, enslavement, and genocide.

Socialism by definition takes care of everyone equally. You can tell those regimes didn't actually believe in socialism, by how they oppressed the poor, the weak and those who were different (religiously, sexually and so on).

> Socialism by definition takes care of everyone equally.

I think this is far harder to implement than people assume. We still have many things in life that are non-fungible, the most obvious of which is probably housing location.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by partiallypro »

a_t48 wrote: post #79
partiallypro wrote: post #67

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a) why must US politics be interjected into everything? b) I would rather the US have free speech instead of punishing thought crimes.

It's not really a thought crime when you are calling for abuse of someone else.

If there is no action and only rhetoric, then it is in fact, a thought crime.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by Fins »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #175
js8 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Standing up in public and calling for violence and persecution against people is an act, not a thought." I don't understand why our reaction to that should be also violent, why cannot we, as you write, "swiftly and decisively", collectively ignore that act. On one hand, you deny that society has moral agency, because you think that this is not an alternative. On the other hand, you want the society to act, as if it…

Because such public speeches lead directly to violence against minorities. This has been shown again and again throughout human history. If we do not act and do not speak out against them or even attack them, we are tacitly saying "well, they might have a point", and that leads to unacceptable acceptance of intolerant acts.

So you do agree then, that if I find your intolerance of possibly perfectly fine (after all, why should your judgement of what is acceptable and what is not be any more valid than mine, his, hers, or that guy-over-there's) and at the very least in the US legal and specifically protected, I would have every right to take you out?

Not to godwin this, but historical parallels for your approach here do point very much at Germany.

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