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Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by Fins »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #87
joering2 wrote: post #37

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Thats true. One of my ex classmates went first time abroad, and upon leaving zoll (german border) he told officer “heil hitler” out of pure excitement and probably too many historical movies watched (is there anything else to watch that is german made?). No amount of explanations was sufficient. He got 3 months behind bars and 10 years ban to visit germany. That was in 2007. I assume now its even worse.

That is basically the most hurtful and offensive thing you could possibly say to any German in a position of authority. It is cutting extremely deep into their greatest national shame, one of the worst parts of any nation's legacy and all of human history. Imagine going up to a Russian border guard and going "hail, comrade Stalin!". It's that bad, or worse. I hope he learned an extremely valuable lesson.

The difference being that the Russian guard will quite possibly like it.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by Fins »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #144
js8 wrote: post #105

They are NOT learning from their history. In fact (to quote from https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/copenhagen-speech-v... ): "I found that, contrary to what most people think, Weimar Germany did have hate-speech laws, and they were applied quite frequently. The assertion that Nazi propaganda played a significant role in mobilizing anti-Jewish sentiment is, of course, irrefutable. But to claim that the Holocaus…

The lesson to be learned is that they did not strike down the fascists hard enough, while they still could. Fascism must be met at all time with hard, Swift and decisive opposition, violent if necessary. There must be no tolerance for ideologies built on intolerance.

And who will decide what is not to be tolerated?

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by mantas »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #140
mantas wrote: post #102

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It's kinda correct though. Not all Left is such, but the problem is Left is tolerating people with such ideas as long as they are Left. Edit: for all the downvoters, explain why Left tolerates Stalinists or USSR apologists in their ranks. Recently the Left seem to have a problem with antisemitism on some countries too.

"The left" is not some sort of grand organization with common leadership and common goals. I certainly don't support tankies nor the USSR dictatorship and oppression, nor do the vast majority of people with left-wing views.

There's enough people who pretend to be "the Left" and do support or at least enable those people. Thus "the Left" is retarded. But some sane parts are OK.

I'd prefer leftist to drop umbrealla naming and just split into factions. Pro-totalitarian/tankies, commie apologists, social democrats etc. But when I offer that, people seem to defend grandiose "the Left" :/

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

Fins wrote: post #152
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lesson to be learned is that they did not strike down the fascists hard enough, while they still could. Fascism must be met at all time with hard, Swift and decisive opposition, violent if necessary. There must be no tolerance for ideologies built on intolerance.

And who will decide what is not to be tolerated?

Intolerance towards others will not be tolerated. Simple.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

s_m_t wrote: post #147
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #141

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There's a big difference between kicking downwards (ala fascism), and kicking upwards (ala socialism).

"kicking" is an interesting euphemism. Even if it were true that fascism "kicked" downwards and socialism "kicked" upwards, what the egregious socialist and fascist governments of the 20th century did wasn't just kicking. It was often quite literally rape, torture, murder, enslavement, and genocide.

Socialism by definition takes care of everyone equally.

You can tell those regimes didn't actually believe in socialism, by how they oppressed the poor, the weak and those who were different (religiously, sexually and so on).

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

jk2323 wrote: post #146
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #135

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Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. I am a firm supporter of free speech. I am also a firm believer in consequences when that speech leads to violence and persecution.

Look. Posting on facebook "lets lynch some {ni..ers, Jews, Arabs, minority of your choice} also gets you into trouble with the law in the states. I doubt that anyone claims this is free speech. But questioning the Open borders situation in Europe Germany in public (speak facebook) that is BLUNTLY violating German law and Dublin III regulation is what gets you blocked. It is a left wing junta in the final stages that…

Oh, so all of those politicians and right wingers who are calling for hermetically closing the borders and imposing special laws on immigrants have all been fined and/or put in jail?

That's great news! Why hadn't I heard about this before? Perhaps because it's complete nonsense?

Left wing junta? With a Christian conservative chancellor and completely ineffectual so-called left wing parties? That's hilarious. Germany is drifting strongly to the right, and it must be stopped.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

jk2323 wrote: post #143
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #130

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I'm sorry, but you're spouting absolute nonsense. I have discussed this topic many times with my German girlfriend and her family in Germany (we live in Denmark), and you are so completely off on your "predictions", it's not even funny. German law has a very specific definition of what material is targeted, and "hate speech" is an inadequate translation. Only public speech that incites violence against religious, pol…

"I have discussed this topic many times with my German girlfriend and her family in Germany (we live in Denmark), and you are so completely off on your "predictions", it's not even funny." Honest advice: Get another girl friend. No kidding!

That was absolutely uncalled for.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

jk2323 wrote: post #145
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #93

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How so? They are simply making people liable for breaking laws that already existed . How are they blocking you? How are they cementing their power by punishing people for inciting to violence against people with specific religious/political viewpoints or sexual orientations etc.?

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30 days blocks are handed out solely by Facebook's own hand. It has nothing to do with this law.

You're linking to Breitbart and similar sites. Those are not credible sources.

And please, I'm not a fan of Merkel either. So I don't know what you're on about.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

Fins wrote: post #151
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is basically the most hurtful and offensive thing you could possibly say to any German in a position of authority. It is cutting extremely deep into their greatest national shame, one of the worst parts of any nation's legacy and all of human history. Imagine going up to a Russian border guard and going "hail, comrade Stalin!". It's that bad, or worse. I hope he learned an extremely valuable lesson.

The difference being that the Russian guard will quite possibly like it.

Yeah, or he might be a neo-nazi. It's impossible to know.

A better example would be going "hey boy, get back to pickin' cotton!" to a black border guard in the US.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

mantas wrote: post #153
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The left" is not some sort of grand organization with common leadership and common goals. I certainly don't support tankies nor the USSR dictatorship and oppression, nor do the vast majority of people with left-wing views.

There's enough people who pretend to be "the Left" and do support or at least enable those people. Thus "the Left" is retarded. But some sane parts are OK. I'd prefer leftist to drop umbrealla naming and just split into factions. Pro-totalitarian/tankies, commie apologists, social democrats etc. But when I offer that, people seem to defend grandiose "the Left" :/

Maybe if you stopped antagonizing and name-calling people with left wing views, you would be met with a lot less hostility.

"There's enough people who pretend to be "the Right" and do support or at least enable [fascists and neo-nazi]. Thus "the Right" is retarded. But some sane parts are OK."

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