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Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

lopmotr wrote: post #73
DocTomoe wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You really shouldn't blame the victim Point is, he's not a victim, he's a criminal and has received his well-deserved punishment. > you've been reading more news stories than him. When you go to another country, it is your responsibility to follow their laws. Ignorantia legis non excusat. >I grew up trusting authorities and them always being reasonable and I would never have imagined Germany was such a bizarrely br…

You obviously know that it's a crime in Germany. The parent's friend obviously didn't. Are you actually in support of rule of law no matter what, or is it just this law you like? For example, are you OK with China executing Falun Gong members? Are you OK with ISIS killing gay people (it's the law of Islam!)? Are you OK with slavery as long as it's legal? Or are you just angry about Nazis especially out of all the oth…

>"I grew up playing Wolfenstein 3D and watching the History channel. Nazi symbols were completely normal and everywhere."

You obviously should have paid a lot more attention, then.

Can it with the whataboutism, it's not helping you.

If you visit a country, you respect its laws and customs. You don't go around breaking them because you disagree with them. Leave it to the residents of that country to change their laws if needed, don't be an invading asshole.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

virmundi wrote: post #46

I wonder, out loud to all you HN lawyers, if not officially supporting an EU country gets you out of EU law. If a site offers no official language support, does it have to follow Germany's law simply because a German saw it?

FB, Google and so on have subsidiaries in Germany (+other EU countries) and have a significant part of their user base there. They are very deliberately focused on having a large number of Germans use their services.

It wouldn't apply to a site like HN, for instance.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

jk2323 wrote: post #59

This bullshit is not a "hate crime law", it is a law to silence opponents of the ruling junta. Worse, it enables blocking of US citizens (like me), that don't live in Germany, through dubious, semi-private entities, based in Germany. Both things are a scandal. And why does have Facebook problems in China? Why not grant the Chinese government the same rights as the German government?

How so? They are simply making people liable for breaking laws that already existed.

How are they blocking you? How are they cementing their power by punishing people for inciting to violence against people with specific religious/political viewpoints or sexual orientations etc.?

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

Andre_Wanglin wrote: post #53

Is hate never justifiable?

You can hate as much as you want, in private. Germans are very adamant about the protection of privacy.

The problem starts if you go around in public, making hateful speeches that incite violence.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by labster »

labster wrote: post #51
doesnt_know wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate speech laws aren't completely uncommon, so individual users would be liable for creating it. In NZ law, it's part of our Human Rights Act: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0082/latest/D... "It shall be unlawful for any person to publish or distribute written matter which is threatening, abusive, or insulting, or to broadcast by means of radio or television or other electronic communication words wh…

I wish the United States had that law, instant impeachable offense for our president. Especially the insulting part, he seems to need to insult others in order to breathe.

I kind of regret posting the above, the ensuing discussion was probably not worth it.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

ihsw2 wrote: post #34

And yet the hammer and sickle are regarded as symbols of freedom and Marxism is regarded as a movement to empower the oppressed. How revolting. Adherents to Communist ideology have killed many millions more than Nazis ever dreamed of and caused untold amounts of devastation over the past century.

>"the hammer and sickle are regarded as symbols of freedom"

Where?

>"Marxism is regarded as a movement to empower the oppressed."

Because it is. That is literally the entire point of Marxism.

Marxism != Communism.

I'm more towards AnCom myself, but Marxism makes some extremely valid points about the exploitation of labor.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by [deleted] »

labster wrote: post #51
doesnt_know wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate speech laws aren't completely uncommon, so individual users would be liable for creating it. In NZ law, it's part of our Human Rights Act: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0082/latest/D... "It shall be unlawful for any person to publish or distribute written matter which is threatening, abusive, or insulting, or to broadcast by means of radio or television or other electronic communication words wh…

I wish the United States had that law, instant impeachable offense for our president. Especially the insulting part, he seems to need to insult others in order to breathe.

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Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

lopmotr wrote: post #42
ihsw2 wrote: post #34

And yet the hammer and sickle are regarded as symbols of freedom and Marxism is regarded as a movement to empower the oppressed. How revolting. Adherents to Communist ideology have killed many millions more than Nazis ever dreamed of and caused untold amounts of devastation over the past century.

Not only that, but communism is still an ongoing danger, unlike Nazism. Venezuela just experienced it. Zimbabwe a decade before, and now South Africa is slipping closer towards it. It's a real danger to human life but somehow people celebrate it.

The situations in those countries are a lot more complicated than simply "COMMUNISM!".

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

im3w1l wrote: post #35

Germany acts to clamp down on free speach, learning from its own history of clamping down on free speech under both the communists and the nazis. They are even hiring former stasi people to do it. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/17/german-govt-hires...

Don't link to Breitbart.

Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

lopmotr wrote: post #41
im3w1l wrote: post #35

Germany acts to clamp down on free speach, learning from its own history of clamping down on free speech under both the communists and the nazis. They are even hiring former stasi people to do it. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/17/german-govt-hires...

The didn't have free speech to begin with. People forget Germany, France and the UK don't have the basic concept of freedom of speech that America does. You could already go to prison for insulting the wrong groups or supporting the wrong political party, and people have.

Like who? Citations please.
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