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Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by Groxx »

ken wrote: post #97
akerl_ wrote: post #42

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It's worth noting (and not super obvious because of their marketing) that "getting a subscription" and "using their cloud sync" are not a mutual requirement. You can pay via subscription and continue using local/Dropbox/etc vaults. This part was super confusing to me until I dug deeper when a friend upgraded. So the primary impact of switching from standalone license to subscription, if you're planning on using 1Pass…

I've used 1Pw local sync for years, and it's very finicky. When I've contacted support, they only offered suggestions like "restart the app", or "upgrade to the latest version" (even though there's nothing in the changelog which seems possibly relevant). Some days I'll add two new passwords, sync to my other Mac (multiple times, even), and only one of them is transferred. The move to their own "cloud" as the primary…

As a counterexample: I've been using dropbox sync for years, 1000+ passwords, only ever had one problem due to a conflict ("lost" password I made on mobile, resolved by picking the right conflict-file in dropbox).

That said, I refuse to use cloud-stored browser-accessed password managers, and it's looking more and more like they're pushing for that to be the only option. Not there yet, but oh boy are they pushing it down into the deepest corners of the website.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by roustem »

cygned wrote: post #26

I really like 1Password, it has been my daily driver for years. The creators gifted me versions for macOS and iOS years ago, so I never had to pay for it - which I would have done happily and, in fact, just recently did. But the push to the cloud versions gives me headache. I don’t want to sync using their cloud - I actually sync using a WiFi server. While it’s (still) possible to obtain the standalone versions, it’s…

If you are looking for a standalone version of 1Password then it is exactly the same version: https://1password.com/downloads/

We do not make two different versions of the app.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by dabockster »

scarface74 wrote: post #215
archagon wrote: post #182

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As time goes on, I've gotten less and less comfortable using proprietary software for critical tasks. If 1Password were open source, I'd actually be pretty happy to subscribe. But as it stands, I have no faith that the product won't change out from under me in the future, whether due to a pivot, an acquisition, or some other reason. The incentives align in favor of the business, not the customer. IMHO, subscriptions…

So if the app were open source and the maintainers decided to abandon it, are you going to download the code and keep it updated? If it is forked are you going to trust the new maintainers? Are you going to audit the source code?

This is the big fallacy I see whenever someone uses open source just because the source code is public. Unless you're able to perform a full audit yourself, is it really any better than a closed offering like 1Password?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by roustem »

tzs wrote: post #94
cygned wrote: post #26

I really like 1Password, it has been my daily driver for years. The creators gifted me versions for macOS and iOS years ago, so I never had to pay for it - which I would have done happily and, in fact, just recently did. But the push to the cloud versions gives me headache. I don’t want to sync using their cloud - I actually sync using a WiFi server. While it’s (still) possible to obtain the standalone versions, it’s…

> While it’s (still) possible to obtain the standalone versions, it’s difficult to find them. And I expect that in a few years, they’ll be gone completely They mentioned somewhere on their site (I don't remember exactly where...it might have been in an answer to a question on the forums) that one of the points of 1Password 7 is to bring the standalone versions up to parity with the subscription version. Right now, st…

Every release of 1Password includes both subscription and standalone features. The download is available here: https://1password.com/downloads/

We always try to implement the new features for both standalone and subscription customers, when it is possible. There are features that are based on the server doing the heavy lifting (permissions, travel mode, account recovery, backups, item history) and they are not available in the standalone mode.

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Post by TimTheTinker »

pktgen wrote: post #237
gkoberger wrote: post #228

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Here's a counterpoint: If someone pays $40 for, say, 1Password 5, they have no incentive to upgrade. It works well enough, and there's no reason to pay again. So, 1Password is stuck supporting a legacy product (and servers / APIs for it), the user is frustrated by an old version of the software, and the company gets no money so they're at risk of folding (which would hurt both the customer and 1Password). I agree tha…

If they have no incentive to upgrade, that's because the newer versions don't add any value for the user. This makes sense: 1Password is a pretty mature product at this point and there probably isn't much room to add new features, unless you want to expand the scope of the product. That is to say that I personally (and again, this is just my opinion) don't care about any new features and would be unlikely to upgrade…

> newer versions don't add any value for the user

I disagree. Security software (as opposed to boxed titles prior to the Internet era), subject to frequent review and that is updated regularly does offer continuing value in a steady stream of updates.

As another commenter said, the price of security is eternal vigilance.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by roustem »

Groxx wrote: post #249
microtonal wrote: post #83

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But the push to the cloud versions gives me headache. I don’t want to sync using their cloud - I actually sync using a WiFi server. But it has nice benefits as well, they have a Chrome/Firefox extension (1Password X) that goes with their cloud that works on Linux. Understandably, it would be harder for them to offer this on top of Dropbox or Wifi sync.

There's no requirement whatsoever that 1Password X be exclusive to a privately-run cloud. Easier to build, possibly (though since it includes the difficulty of building the cloud service in the first place... oh hell no, 100x harder), but it could work just as well with manual syncing (point to a url -> download the backup, or just give it the file).

Implementing things is not the hardest part. Supporting customers is the hardest part. Things will break and with manual syncing support is going to be a nightmare.

Also, syncing is never easy.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by mrunkel »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #205
snuxoll wrote: post #134

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> or remote encrypted storage That’s a key component of a 1Password subscription, they host your vaults and handle annoying details like access control, etc.

If remote services were an add-on , and nonpayment left your clients still able to use the program, I see no issue. That's not what happens. You're locked out of all your stuff on nonpayment for the "subscription". This trend of subscription-ifying is horrifying. It's turning users into digital sharecroppers, for a guaranteed line of money. And 'easy-to-import, hard-to-export' is the modus operandi for these companie…

This is not true. You're not locked out.

From 1Password:

  Your data is yours. Even if you cancel your subscription and your account is frozen, you can still sign in to 
  1Password.com or in the apps to view and export your data.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by roustem »

twblalock wrote: post #242
tgb wrote: post #109

Can I use this space to ask how people actually use password managers on mobile? I got LastPass recently and put on it a good secure "correct horse battery staple"-type password. So now when I use accounts on my phone I have to type that password instead of my short, randomly generated, reused-all-the-time password. This means I'm more secure (no password reuse) but typing 30ish characters without error into my phone…

I use 1Password with Face ID on my iPhone, Touch ID on my iPad, and Touch ID on my Macbook Pro. The only time I have to type in my master password is when I use my Windows desktop at home. I used to use LastPass and frankly it's far behind 1Password in user experience, especially on Apple devices.

1Password 7 supports Windows Hello. It is now my favourite way to unlock 1Password :)

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by richie5um »

cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

This story is similar to mine. I really don't want to have lots of subscriptions, but I use 1Password sooo much, it is a clear winner for my money.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by roustem »

Barrin92 wrote: post #231
SirensOfTitan wrote: post #221

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I spent around 45-50 dollars in 2013 for the Windows+Mac Bundle and iOS apps. 1Password 7 is the first paid in my experience using the software, which is vital to me every day. Roughly 10 dollars a year for a critical utility software isn't "fairly steep," and I also fail to understand how so many years of free updates imply any type of "reasonable" expectation of long term updates.

it's pretty steep in comparison to the alternatives in the market. What does 1password offer that the free version of lastpass does not?

Better security and better user experience to start with.

Unlike most of competing products, 1Password encrypts pretty much all information, including vault names, item titles, URLs, tags. It is easier to list what's not encrypted. It is also probably the only product using SRP.

Now check out what information is sent in plaintext or base64-encoded in other products.

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