Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by selectodude » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:06 PM UTC

archagon wrote: post #182

cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

As time goes on, I've gotten less and less comfortable using proprietary software for critical tasks. If 1Password were open source, I'd actually be pretty happy to subscribe. But as it stands, I have no faith that the product won't change out from under me in the future, whether due to a pivot, an acquisition, or some other reason. The incentives align in favor of the business, not the customer. IMHO, subscriptions…

https://github.com/OblivionCloudControl/opvault

opvault file access has open source tools. It would suck if they changed out from under me in the future (1password is the best password manager and it’s really not even close) but my passwords are at least accessible.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by tgb » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:06 PM UTC

dwg wrote: post #139

tgb wrote: post #109

Can I use this space to ask how people actually use password managers on mobile? I got LastPass recently and put on it a good secure "correct horse battery staple"-type password. So now when I use accounts on my phone I have to type that password instead of my short, randomly generated, reused-all-the-time password. This means I'm more secure (no password reuse) but typing 30ish characters without error into my phone…

Aside from using biometrics, which makes it much easier, you might consider using a long passphrase as the master password. A passphrase is easier to remember and to type than random characters. It’s what I do, and it’s pretty easy to type without mistakes on mobile too.

My password is a passphrase though. But you don't get autocorrect or swype functionality for typing passwords, understandably, so typing it is not easy (harder even because it grows in length for it's lower entropy per length).

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by cjcampbell » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:09 PM UTC

fnordsensei wrote: post #199

cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

Is it possible to pay for a subscription and use a local vault? I've no problem with the business model, but I'd rather keep the data to myself. Edit: Answered my own question > 1Password 7 from the Mac App Store will only support our hosted service, as that’s what you’re purchasing with a 1Password membership. If you install from our website, you’ll have to option to use a standalone vault synced via iCloud if you p…

Yes it is. The new release even brings local vault to Windows.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by Barrin92 » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:15 PM UTC

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #92

nsarafa wrote: post #11

I lost faith in 1Password when they forced me into the subscription model despite paying full price for the product years ago

I don’t really get this perspective. You can continue using the version of 1Password that you bought without issue. The expectation that your purchase years ago should entitle you to updates forever is pretty ridiculous.

when utility or productivity tools are offered at a fairly steep price point as 1password was people usually have a reasonable expectation to receive long-term upgrades.

It's not ridiculous at all because it generally is the norm.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by crankylinuxuser » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:16 PM UTC

snuxoll wrote: post #134

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something as critical as "password infrastructure" should absolutely never be a subscription model. Pay software, sure. But by no means should anybody other than you have the ability to refuse access, especially some company where you are nothing but a $5/month number. I would be more forgiving if the subscription was for value-added features, like dynamic syncing, or remote encrypted storage. But it ain't.

> or remote encrypted storage That’s a key component of a 1Password subscription, they host your vaults and handle annoying details like access control, etc.

If remote services were an add-on, and nonpayment left your clients still able to use the program, I see no issue. That's not what happens. You're locked out of all your stuff on nonpayment for the "subscription".

This trend of subscription-ifying is horrifying. It's turning users into digital sharecroppers, for a guaranteed line of money. And 'easy-to-import, hard-to-export' is the modus operandi for these companies.

Sure, I'll take the karma hit. I already have with the prior post here. Evidently, people seem on the most part OK with allowing their personal data be trapped behind subscription paywalls... Well, they're OK with it until they're not.

EDIT: Lets make this crystal-clear what my complaint is:

> 1Password 7 from the Mac App Store will only support our hosted service, as that’s what you’re purchasing with a 1Password membership. If you install from our website, you’ll have to option to use a standalone vault synced via iCloud if you purchase a standalone license, or use our hosted service if you purchase a 1Password membership.

No Pay, Forget to Pay, can't afford == FUCKED.

Long story short, they hold your data hostage for the "New and Improved Business Plan".

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by vbezhenar » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:17 PM UTC

1Password for Mac and iOS worked flawlessly. But I recently migrated to Windows and installed 1Password 6 for Windows. It's just bad software. It's not responsive (I'm pressing "Save" and it works for a second or two, while I'm expecting it to respond instantly), it has some obvious UI bugs, but worse of all, it crashes very often, I don't remember a single program that crashes so much. It just feels very unpolished. I'm waiting for 7-th version to try it.

I thought about BitWarden but I don't really like its technologies. It uses .NET for server which is not very native for Linux. It uses JavaScript for client which I don't like at all. I wish it used something like Go or Java for server and .NET for client.

So far my primary candidate to switch is KeePass. I don't like it a lot, but at least it works and it's reliable.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by DavideNL » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:21 PM UTC

bpicolo wrote: post #41

While I could understand people being upset about this, I pay for a 1password family subscription. It really is a terrific investment. As far as subscription services go it's about the best bang for my buck that I get. A sustainable service model is important for something I rely on so much - especially something that needs to keep on security lockdown. Also makes it easy for the family to share hulu, netflix, whatno…

I wonder if it's so much better than for example Bitwarden for families, which is $1/month. (https://bitwarden.com )

Also, the switch to the "1password cloud", instead of the already freely available iCloud/Google Cloud/Dropbox etc, just seems like a move to make people believe their expensive subscription are justified. There was absolutely no demand for a "1password cloud".

This entire push to subscription-hell makes me sick...

(i've had 1Password paid versions, OSX & iOS, for like 7 years btw.)

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by ben_w » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:21 PM UTC

pvg wrote: post #190

ben_w wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On macOS, Keychain Access.app (built in) can be used as a stand-alone app to generate and store passwords. WFIW I’m using a plain text file in an encrypted disk image, because I started before I found out about Keychain Access.app , and I never actually trusted third party apps for security reasons and possibly paranoia, so I can’t compare UX quality, but it is available in a form on the desktop.

The purpose of a password manager is some kind of multi-device password sharing. Plain macOS keychain doesn't do that at all. There are certainly ways to manually emulate parts of the behaviour of a password manager, whether it's with Keychain Access or post its in your wallet (or various combinations thereof). Password managers are about automating all that.

It is multi device though. Sure it’s Apple only, but it’s all my Apple devices, macOS and iOS (I don’t have a watch or a TV), not just wherever the password was created.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by xxkylexx » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:25 PM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #206

1Password for Mac and iOS worked flawlessly. But I recently migrated to Windows and installed 1Password 6 for Windows. It's just bad software. It's not responsive (I'm pressing "Save" and it works for a second or two, while I'm expecting it to respond instantly), it has some obvious UI bugs, but worse of all, it crashes very often, I don't remember a single program that crashes so much. It just feels very unpolished.…

.NET Core is just as native as Java on Linux...

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by cjcampbell » Sun, May 20, 2018, 6:26 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #85

akerl_ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep bringing this up, and it feels like a major failure of Agilebits marketing approach. The subscription service changes the frequency at which you pay Agilebits; it does not mandate how you store your data. 1Password 7 continues to allow all the kinds of local/Dropbox/etc vaults that prior versions allowed. If somebody at Agilebits is reading this thread: look around at these comments. The lack of clear inf…

I think it is likely that they want to hide this option, as they have hidden the standalone version. I think their long-term plan is to have everyone on their subscription with data stored in the 1Password cloud. This reduces support and development load (no need to support local/Dropbox/Wifi sync with all its edge cases) and guarantees montly/yearly payments.

I think they’ve actually been quite upfront about the option, even if it’s not front and center on the website right now.

Both the standalone subscription and the local vault support have regularly been mentioned in announcements and updates for 1Password 7 from the start. My impression is that agilebits understands how important these options are to their users and have invested in keeping them around for the long-term.