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I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

#501

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There's a guy with my name, roughly the same age as me, from the same hometown who's a recently paroled pedophile. All the top results when you search my name are about him. So yeah, I'm not enthusiastic about Googling every candidate.

That's all the more reason why you should have a web presence!

Not everyone can have that, esp. people with a history of stalkers or abusive friends/family.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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It is generally understood that candidates must consent to have their references checked. In what part of the application process did the candidate consent to you letting anyone you choose know they are looking for a job?

It is generally understood that candidates must consent to have their references checked. That's rubbish. It's generally understood that all parties are expected to perform due diligence. What do you think people do with the connection graph linkedin displays? I've interviewed people who were clear that they didn't want their current employer to know that they were looking - that's fine, and easy to respect. But the…

I'd expect any company to get my consent before requesting references from current or past employers. First of all because I can direct them to relevant people but most importantly because it's not public information. I had cases in the past where I asked them to hold off with checks until I have signed a contract and quit the other job (under the condition that the contract would be void if the check fails). That way they could confirm that my story was correct without telling my employer that I plan to quit.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

#503

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How do you know that your backdoor reference doesn't personally dislike the candidate for something unrelated to their mutual work experience? Maybe hiring by hearsay works for some people, but I don't trust references, good or bad.

That’s actually an argument for checking more than one reference from each organization.

Or asking the candidate? You can still check if the position of the other person is relevant but it makes sense to not randomly ask people at former employers if there are only 1-2 who can really describe the work they did.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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post #398

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Next time someone says technical hiring is not hiring quite so many women or minorities because it's purely meritocratic, I'm going to point them at this post.

Do women not attend social clubs? Because that’s what IRC channels and the Freemasons both are: social clubs. Or, do women with hiring authority just not preferentially hire contacts from social clubs? (A good test case: are there as many “same sorority” coworkers as “same fraternity” coworkers, in proportion to the number of each gender with hiring authority in that company?) Or, do women just end up in fewer positi…

Even if all aspects of two groups were equal -- sociability and preference to hire from one's own social circles -- you can still have a rich-get-richer effect. Group A has many more people in hiring authority positions for historical reasons, so continues to preferentially hire from their social group, which is also mostly group A. Meanwhile Group B is doing the exact same thing, but has fewer people in power so things don't equalize out.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

#505

The thing I don't get is, and probably I'll be downvoted to hell because of that, even though this guy lied about his past, his knowledge is solid. Nobody can guess what the interviewers will ask you and from what I've read from the text he aced those. If this is the tech business rolls what I see that it wants developers with a history, with connections, with "clout" so to speak; doesn't matter if you can help their…

I applaud that you give this comment. Your comment seems indeed controversial, but you gave it in a thoughtful manner and you dared to give it. This is what I like about HN: thoughtful comments that may be controversial but are relevant even at the risk of one's own reputation. From my own limited interview experience: companies reject you for the silliest things, in my opinion and I have decided that I need to decei…

What are you even talking about? His opinion is not remotely controversial. Every populist hivemind drone on this site contends some form of this argument. Not a single person is (at least, getting upvoted) DEFENDING high or reasonable hiring bars - that is a controversial opinion.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

#506

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[citation needed] Usually that's not the case. Plenty of people lie, often unnecessarily, about tiny things like making excuses for being late but would not lie to cover up anything that has serious ethical implications.

The first person people lie to is themselves. For a person that doesn't have a personal commitment to integrity, when they are placed in a position where they are incentivized to lie, they will first convince themselves that this lie is either harmless (we are going to lose the account anyway, what is the point of getting everyone mad at me) or the lie is for a good cause. Once that is done, usually unconsciously, th…

> personal commitment to integrity

Psychology seems to be way more complex than "once a liar always a liar". Some citation of psychological research would help.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

#507

> He impressed each interviewer with his knowledge and passion for the brand, his sales acumen, outbound hunter mentality, and overall presence. > Our Catfish never faltered, kept a smile on his face the entire time, and did his homework. We even talked about sales operations, discussed the pros and cons of MEDDIC, and talked about Salesforce workflows. I mean, this guy was pretty good. Sounds like they were an excel…

They were a great candidate right up until the "lied on their resume and in job interviews, also created a fake email address and phone number to pretend to be someone else" part.

Maybe the recruiter did that after the candidate told them that he can't provide one? Recruiters usually get paid after the contract is signed.. I would've definitely called the candidate.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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post #483

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He adapted to an unfavourable situation, studied hard, did his research well and passed multiple tests - I'd gladly work with someone like that

And when the solution to the next unfavorable situation he faces involves railroading you? Liars lie and cheaters cheat. You might be fine if you're never their target, but you never know when you will be.

Exactly this. You have to be very naive and sheltered to not recognize this as being the case.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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post #464

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Dude, no. Someone who would lie this much to get what he wants will lie when you're working with him. If he makes a big mistake he will lie about it to avoid getting fired just as surely as he lied to get the job. Citing Neil Gaiman -- or some other celebrity -- doesn't do anything to make this less true.

To get what he wants? Would that be a job? So are you saying that in all your interviews you've had in the past you've been absolutely, positively 100% truthful about your experience and knowledge? That you've never inflated your abilities whatsoever?

Yes, absolutely. If anything I err on the side of playing things down. I never want to promise something I can't deliver or tell someone I'm more than I am.

Besides, that's not even the issue. This guy just flat out lied. Not exaggerated, he told lies and built upon them. There's no excuse for that.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

#510

That's odd. The author defends his "backdoor reference checks" by saying he would have never caught the catfish otherwise. Then later on the same person he contacted for his "backdoor reference check" was given to him as a reference, which would have happened regardless.

Yes, but they might have naively used the given number rather than the number they personally had, out of convenience, which would have caused the catfish to succeed.

You can't just fake a corporate email address. And even phone numbers for offices are usually all in one block, you can verify if that belongs to the company.
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