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Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#131

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Why would GDPR apply to the internet archive? It's a US based nonprofit. As far as I can tell they don't do anything that even remotely hints at them providing services to EU residents (like offering their site in European languages, having the €-symbol somewhere on their donations page or any of the other more subtle things mentioned in GDPR).

Because the data they have might have been produced by EU citizens.

Who cares? Me posting my (very German) name and address on somebody else's website (blog comment, forum or whatever) doesn't magically make that person have to comply with GDPR.

According to [1] the law applies to:

1.) a company or entity which processes personal data as part of the activities of one of its branches established in the EU, regardless of where the data is processed; or

2.) a company established outside the EU offering goods/services (paid or for free) or monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU.

The internet archive doesn't offer goods or services in the EU (if you want to know how that's defined you have to read the actual law I'm afraid) and they're certainly not "monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU".

[1]: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#132

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I haven't read GDPR in details, but isn't GDPR concerned only with personal/private data? The Wayback Machine only archives public pages as far as I can tell...

If public page can be linked back to you then can be considered personal information and therefore be subject of GDPR.

No. That’s not how it works.

Read the law before posting wildly misleading comments like this.

If you explicitly make something public, you can’t later come and claim that this information is actually crucial to your privacy. If so, you yourself was the one who violated that privacy, not the company later archiving/caching/processing your public article.

GDPR is all about decency and common sense wrt. user data and privacy.

No need to spread FUD about something that simple. SV proved tech companies can’t be trusted to act ethically, so here comes the regulation. Deal.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#133

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Not since England left the EU.

And Ireland?

Ireland's language is actually Gaelic.

It's the only country in the EU that does not require it's language in translations because even in Ireland nearly no one speaks it.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#134
post #102

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So you're incentivizing people not to write. That's bad, we should encourage people to write. It's OK to make mistakes. I see this problem as an even bigger problem with kids. Kids put everything they do online, and they will probably be ashamed of a lot of these things later in life. Comparing that to Facebook: I guess I shouldn't upload pictures on Facebook because it's against my right to want to see one of my old…

If no one can read an a book what good is it? You are purposefully muddying the issue of access. If you upload your pictures on a password protected ftp server no one will know or care when you delete them. If you upload them on a publicly accessible website, despite what outdated laws on copyright say, you won't be able to withdraw them and that's a feature. Facebook is a monstrosity that pretends to be a password p…

of course, but you shouldn't be stopped by people who want to backup your content at all cost against your will.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#135
post #102

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So you're incentivizing people not to write. That's bad, we should encourage people to write. It's OK to make mistakes. I see this problem as an even bigger problem with kids. Kids put everything they do online, and they will probably be ashamed of a lot of these things later in life. Comparing that to Facebook: I guess I shouldn't upload pictures on Facebook because it's against my right to want to see one of my old…

If no one can read an a book what good is it? You are purposefully muddying the issue of access. If you upload your pictures on a password protected ftp server no one will know or care when you delete them. If you upload them on a publicly accessible website, despite what outdated laws on copyright say, you won't be able to withdraw them and that's a feature. Facebook is a monstrosity that pretends to be a password p…

> If no one can read an a book what good is it?

Plenty of good. As a writer myself, sometimes just having these thoughts put out into form is a very gratifying process. When the inspiration hits you, nothing feels worse than not being able to express these thoughts and feelings in a way that feels appropriate.

Likewise, sometimes people write dumb things in a fit of passion. They write something that is a blemish on their otherwise fine history or that no longer reflects what they believe anymore.

While I'm on the side of the Internet Archive here, I can definitely appreciate that it's not an open and shut case. Sometimes the yearning for information to be free is at odds with our want for privacy. Tools like Medium, Twitter, Facebook, and other social media are like the gun in the house to someone suicidal (to use a very bad analogy) - an easy and convenient tool that allows for a very bad spur of the moment decision to be made.

I know I've done stupid things on games and on message boards in the past, and I'm only so lucky that this data likely isn't available anymore. Some of it was me being a dumb kid. Some of it was me just being an angry kid, but I am 100% grateful that this information is only remember by myself and a handful of others. A very different past me had a very stringent set of beliefs which I now have come to accept were very bad beliefs, and I did bad things in general as a result of them.

Is it really fair that I have the benefit that time forgot all these dumb things I've done simply because I was born before a time when Twitter/Facebook were common place? Before data permanence was really possible on a global scale? I'm open to the idea of some review on archiving data like this; I want the Internet Archive to be able to archive this stuff, but it would be really nice if there was a way to vault it for a reasonable period of time as well by request. Otherwise, you end up in a position where no one wants to write or produce or do anything in a fit of passion as a result of knowing that everything is permanently preserved.

I don't have an answer aside from "vaulting" the data, and I don't think that's a good answer. But I also don't think it's black and white like you're trying to make it.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#136
post #94

When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

When you published your article though, you wanted people to read it. You can't blame the people around you for changing your mind. And "nothing gets deleted on the internet".

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#137
post #105

I think this is more likely to be unintentional. As another comment mentioned, article.is isn't affected. If you want to remove things from the Internet Archive, you can do so using your robots.txt: https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#14 https://www.fightcyberstalking.org/how-to-block-your-website...

robots.txt is really only supposed to be used for blocking the Internet Archives first snapshot, and not to remove existing snapshots – and even this might not be the case in the future as they try to preserve most snapshots. They made a few policy changes last year[1] to how they handle robots.txt files, to handle cases where a domain is sold and a new robots.txt file would result in deleting old data among other things.

[1]: https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/17/robots-txt-meant-for-sea...

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#138
post #28

You might like that : root@localhost:~# links -dump ' https://web.archive.org/web/20160826003417/https://medium.co... | nc seashells.io 1337 Results at https://pastebin.com/SMGBscz2

I used w3m -dump https://web.archive.org/web/20160826003417/https://medium.co... Produces a fairly nice, readable version also.

Actually it's not necessary to use text-mode browsers as the trick used here is JS-related, so it's enough to switch JS off.

Actually most nuisances on the web today are JS-related so I have a button for quickly disabling it. It works like a charm, also for this case.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#139

I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?

GDPR is not relevant to this. It’s not about enforcing copyright on people’s work. It’s about ensuring that companies only store and process privacy-sensitive information about people which they are given consent to store and only used for the purposes the consent was given. There is nothing privacy related wrt the author in a public article published worldwide for everyone to read. Clearly outside the domain of GDPR…

However from experience GPDR will also be abused by jobsworths to avoid doing something either through laziness or for more suspect reasons.

Just like H&S and the Data Protection act are abused today.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#140
post #78

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So what? The EU does not get to make laws for other people. That's why we have countries.

You are missing the point. The EU makes laws that govern - and at least try to - protect its citizens. If a document on the archive is created by a European citizen, then it is under EU law. That's why every company in the world right now that deals with European citizens is working on supporting GDPR. That also applies here.

But its not personal data that's being handled and the EU is quite happy with the german imprimatur and not keen on anonymous publishing in general.
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