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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by pdkl95 »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #73
gambiting wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if you publish a book, and then pull it out of stores, people who have the copies, and all libraries, should burn their copies, right?

Nope because they bought the book. It's their property. My article is MY property.

Your property is the copy on your computer(s) and the right to control who can make more copies. Once you choose to make a copy and transmit it to someone else (perhaps as a response to a HTTP GET request), that copy becomes their property. Your property rights end at the first sale[1]. If you don't want someone to own a copy of your article, don't give it to them or get them to agree to a contract[2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

[2] A TOS is not a contract. If you want to use a contract, make your offer, wait for someone to understand and accept it before you send them a copy of your article.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by soziawa »

fredoliveira wrote: post #88
jakeogh wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? The EU does not get to make laws for other people. That's why we have countries.

You are missing the point. The EU makes laws that govern - and at least try to - protect its citizens. If a document on the archive is created by a European citizen, then it is under EU law. That's why every company in the world right now that deals with European citizens is working on supporting GDPR. That also applies here.

yeah, but GDPR doesn't affect copyright.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by icebraining »

fredoliveira wrote: post #88
jakeogh wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? The EU does not get to make laws for other people. That's why we have countries.

You are missing the point. The EU makes laws that govern - and at least try to - protect its citizens. If a document on the archive is created by a European citizen, then it is under EU law. That's why every company in the world right now that deals with European citizens is working on supporting GDPR. That also applies here.

Nitpick: EU residents, not citizens, as far as I understand it (the text says people "in the Union", and doesn't mention citizens at all).

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by baby »

When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by antihero »

JetSpiegel wrote: post #81
TomMarius wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree (nor agree), but trusting Europe to not block anything is wrong. There are EU countries that are right now blocking something. Porn in UK, foreign gambling sites in Czech Republic and of course Telegram in Russia. Edit: I of course know that Russia is not in the EU, lol. Parent said "Europe" and I added Telegram as a fun remark after two serious examples (and there are more). Calm down with the downv…

Russia is not in the EU. The porn block in the UK (or opt-in block, more like) is a voluntary measure taken by ISP.

There's a new one coming into effect that will force websites to verify people's age using their ID (possibly by an external provider). Or I guess be blocked? Still a fucking stupid idea.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by merinowool »

JetSpiegel wrote: post #81
TomMarius wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree (nor agree), but trusting Europe to not block anything is wrong. There are EU countries that are right now blocking something. Porn in UK, foreign gambling sites in Czech Republic and of course Telegram in Russia. Edit: I of course know that Russia is not in the EU, lol. Parent said "Europe" and I added Telegram as a fun remark after two serious examples (and there are more). Calm down with the downv…

Russia is not in the EU. The porn block in the UK (or opt-in block, more like) is a voluntary measure taken by ISP.

Certain types of porn are illegal in the UK (for example depicting female squirting or face sitting). In April they supposed to introduce age check to all porn websites willing to operate in the UK, which essentially means every website that has porn (for example Reddit) should be behind the pay wall, as age check supposed to be done via credit card transaction. Now this has been delayed, but I don't think they are backing out on that. Furthermore this is going to be a huge problem, because: 1) Payment processors are frowning upon the idea of servicing porn websites. That means it is going to be very expensive to implement unless government figures out a different way. 2) Companies will have to store more personal data about their viewers and users will be forced to give up that data. 3) That poses a huge risk in case of the data breach as someone sexual preferences are sensitive data forced to be collected.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by baby »

leereeves wrote: post #30
onetimemanytime wrote: post #24

Maybe I'm out of touch with HN, but kudos to Medium. I delete the article for a reason, why should someone read it years later (regardless of the website or format.) It's my article

What would credibility mean in a world where lies, mistakes, and fits of emotion could be erased completely?

When you write a piece, if you want to delete it so that no one else can read it, it should be your right. Unless of course you're a journalist and you have a duty to integrity or something like that, but I'm talking about people like you and me who might decide one day that they do not like what they wrote anymore.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by zeth___ »

baby wrote: post #94

When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

A simple solution: don't publish things you don't want people to read.

This is no different to burning books that the authors no longer support the views in.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by LaGrange »

jakeogh wrote: post #54
lbriner wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No! GDPR is about personal data, which is well defined in the regulations and does not include blog posts. The right to delete data (or "be forgotten") is nothing to do with GDPR. If the original post contained personal data, it is a different issue but if that was put out into the public domain, it is a hard problem to solve.

So add some "personal data" to the end of anything you might want to demand someone forget later.

No, if you intentionally made that data public then it's done. GDPR doesn't, say, force you to remove political views of Theresa May from newspapers, despite that being covered by personal data, because Theresa May made those views public.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by zeth___ »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #83
teamhappy wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would GDPR apply to the internet archive? It's a US based nonprofit. As far as I can tell they don't do anything that even remotely hints at them providing services to EU residents (like offering their site in European languages, having the €-symbol somewhere on their donations page or any of the other more subtle things mentioned in GDPR).

Is English not a European language?

Not since England left the EU.
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