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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by JetSpiegel »

TomMarius wrote: post #65
matthewmacleod wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the love of god, please stop spreading these misinformed views. 1. Nobody in Europe will be blocking anything. 2. The Wayback machine will continue to operate. 3. GDPR is generally pretty well-written legislation, based on extensive experience by privacy regulators across Europe. There are some questions about exactly how the rules will evolve in practice. The thing to bear in mind is that privacy regulators are…

I don't disagree (nor agree), but trusting Europe to not block anything is wrong. There are EU countries that are right now blocking something. Porn in UK, foreign gambling sites in Czech Republic and of course Telegram in Russia. Edit: I of course know that Russia is not in the EU, lol. Parent said "Europe" and I added Telegram as a fun remark after two serious examples (and there are more). Calm down with the downv…

Russia is not in the EU.

The porn block in the UK (or opt-in block, more like) is a voluntary measure taken by ISP.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by merinowool »

jfaucett wrote: post #35
simion314 wrote: post #26

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The law is meant to allow me to delete my account from your cool SV startup, and delete meaning actually delete the data and not deactivate the account but continue using or selling my data. The cookie law is a problem because lazy web developers did not implement it right, probably you complain about don't spam me law because it adds a bit of extra work for adding the unsubscribe link and implement the requierements…

There is big difference in law and regulation between intention and real-world effects. For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence but has the effects of disproportionately encarcerating youth aka "criminals" under the new law for drug consumption, and thus limiting their opportunities in the socio-economic system. If you look into it I think parent is most li…

And the effect is quite the opposite as consumption of drug and addiction is much more prevalent than in the places where it is legal. So regulation could have good intentions - and a lot of people believe in the intentions - but the effects are the opposite.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

teamhappy wrote: post #68
thogenhaven wrote: post #10

I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?

Why would GDPR apply to the internet archive? It's a US based nonprofit. As far as I can tell they don't do anything that even remotely hints at them providing services to EU residents (like offering their site in European languages, having the €-symbol somewhere on their donations page or any of the other more subtle things mentioned in GDPR).

Is English not a European language?

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by martin-adams »

jakeogh wrote: post #51
BlackFly wrote: post #38

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GDPR doesn't change anything in this respect. Copyright law applies. Why would the owner of the copyright make a complaint to the data protection authorities of the EU who might choose to do nothing when they could directly file a copyright infringement case? I suppose you could add insult to injury, but the data protection agency is likely to rule that the issue is one of copyright infringement.

I post a letter on a pole. You take a picture of it. I sue you for sharing that pic, and pretend you still have free speech.

I thought free speech was the ability to make commentary on the letter on the pole, but not to reproduce it.

It's the equivalent of it being technically illegal to take a photo of the Eiffel tower at night, because the light show is a copyrighted artistic display.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by merinowool »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #47
jfaucett wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is big difference in law and regulation between intention and real-world effects. For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence but has the effects of disproportionately encarcerating youth aka "criminals" under the new law for drug consumption, and thus limiting their opportunities in the socio-economic system. If you look into it I think parent is most li…

> For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence That’s not right, is it? Didn’t that Nixon aide admit the drug war was a ruse?[1] 1. https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/xd7jkn/a-former-nixon-aid...

But the public is presented as if its purpose was to curb drug addiction. Could be the same with GDPR - great intentions, but the true reason is to entrench big corporations and introduce more barriers of entry for the small guy, which is inline with socialist agenda.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by krapp »

leereeves wrote: post #56
psyc wrote: post #43

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I'm not sure I understand the question. As it is now, the vast majority of my transgressions in real life disappear into a memory hole. What makes the internet so special in that regard? You want there to be a permanent digital record of people's mistakes, why? So that those best at hiding their defects can get ahead? Why is that desirable?

For roughly the same reason schools administer tests and keep permanent records of grades. An author's track record for honesty and accuracy is (was?) the foundation of credibility.

And yet the same community that insists the internet act as a permanent, immutable and irrevocable platform for "judging honesty" tends to object when intelligence agencies, law enforcement and employers use their data for just that purpose.

Even if it were the case that one could only judge a person's honesty and accuracy from the "track record" of content published to the web that can be traced to their identity, this assumes that all such content is unbiased and factual, and that any interpretation of that content would also be unbiased and factual, but that isn't true.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by chii »

jakeogh wrote: post #51
BlackFly wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR doesn't change anything in this respect. Copyright law applies. Why would the owner of the copyright make a complaint to the data protection authorities of the EU who might choose to do nothing when they could directly file a copyright infringement case? I suppose you could add insult to injury, but the data protection agency is likely to rule that the issue is one of copyright infringement.

I post a letter on a pole. You take a picture of it. I sue you for sharing that pic, and pretend you still have free speech.

> pretend you still have free speech.

free speech is the right to speak about any topic without the gov't attempting to punish or censor you.

Free speech isn't the right to speak at any (private) forum, nor is it about having the right to be heard.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by fredoliveira »

jakeogh wrote: post #78
merinowool wrote: post #77

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Because the data they have might have been produced by EU citizens.

So what? The EU does not get to make laws for other people. That's why we have countries.

You are missing the point. The EU makes laws that govern - and at least try to - protect its citizens. If a document on the archive is created by a European citizen, then it is under EU law. That's why every company in the world right now that deals with European citizens is working on supporting GDPR. That also applies here.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by teamhappy »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #83
teamhappy wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would GDPR apply to the internet archive? It's a US based nonprofit. As far as I can tell they don't do anything that even remotely hints at them providing services to EU residents (like offering their site in European languages, having the €-symbol somewhere on their donations page or any of the other more subtle things mentioned in GDPR).

Is English not a European language?

Doesn't matter. Using the English language doesn't imply that you're offering goods or services to individuals in the EU.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by H4CK3RM4N »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #83
teamhappy wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would GDPR apply to the internet archive? It's a US based nonprofit. As far as I can tell they don't do anything that even remotely hints at them providing services to EU residents (like offering their site in European languages, having the €-symbol somewhere on their donations page or any of the other more subtle things mentioned in GDPR).

Is English not a European language?

No more than Spanish, and you wouldn't be making this argument wrt a Mexican company.
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