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Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by jakeogh »

BlackFly wrote: post #38
thogenhaven wrote: post #10

I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?

GDPR doesn't change anything in this respect. Copyright law applies. Why would the owner of the copyright make a complaint to the data protection authorities of the EU who might choose to do nothing when they could directly file a copyright infringement case? I suppose you could add insult to injury, but the data protection agency is likely to rule that the issue is one of copyright infringement.

I post a letter on a pole. You take a picture of it. I sue you for sharing that pic, and pretend you still have free speech.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by dspillett »

thogenhaven wrote: post #10

I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?

GDPR shouldn't have a major impact here.

They already take down pages on request and retro-actively apply robots.txt rules so that solves "right to be forgotten" or other circumstances where PII is present and shouldn't be.

They have sufficiently defensible reason to keep and present the archived information otherwise.

Their key problem will remain copyright and publishing rights arguments not matters of personal data, at least not more so than currently.

(caveat: while I have an understanding of the regulation due to it very much having an effect on our clients and to a lesser extent on us directly, I am not a lawyer by any definition so don't take my interpretation as gospel in any way)

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by raverbashing »

tankenmate wrote: post #37
alerighi wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't, and I would like to know what Europe wants to do about it. Block wayback machine in Europe ? Well, I can still access it with a VPN if I want. Also I want to know what they will do about git and GitHub, or even blockchain project (how you delete something from a blockchain ?) The problem is that GDPR is a stupid legislation written by incompetent people that doesn't understand the subject and imposed with…

What a large number of people fail to realise is that the GDPR applies to any person (natural or legal; a data controller and/or data processor) that holds personal data on a EU citizen or EU resident, regardless of where the data controller (or data processor) is. Obviously EU law can only be enforced in the EU but if you are a business then any funds in the EU that belong to the data controller can be frozen or use…

> the GDPR applies to any person (natural or legal; a data controller and/or data processor) that holds personal data on a EU citizen or EU resident

Funny, because the GDPR explicitely says this is not the case.

Art2. Paragraph 2

This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data:

   c) by a natural person in the course of a purely personal or household activity;

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by jakeogh »

lbriner wrote: post #34
scandox wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but the article itself is user-provided content to Medium that the author has a right to ask to be deleted (under GDPR), presumably? So perhaps it will be simply a matter of the The Wayback Machine having to have a policy to delete things if requested?

No! GDPR is about personal data, which is well defined in the regulations and does not include blog posts. The right to delete data (or "be forgotten") is nothing to do with GDPR. If the original post contained personal data, it is a different issue but if that was put out into the public domain, it is a hard problem to solve.

So add some "personal data" to the end of anything you might want to demand someone forget later.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by StavrosK »

lostlogin wrote: post #49
StavrosK wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why mouse? Click the link and press escape. You youngsters with your mouses.

And there you go, it turns out that ‘mouses’ is an accepted pleural for a computer mouse. Less horrible than ‘Magic Trackpad 2 — Silvers’ I suppose.

Yep, unlike "pleural", which is not yet an accepted spelling of "plural" :p

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by leereeves »

psyc wrote: post #43
leereeves wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would credibility mean in a world where lies, mistakes, and fits of emotion could be erased completely?

I'm not sure I understand the question. As it is now, the vast majority of my transgressions in real life disappear into a memory hole. What makes the internet so special in that regard? You want there to be a permanent digital record of people's mistakes, why? So that those best at hiding their defects can get ahead? Why is that desirable?

For roughly the same reason schools administer tests and keep permanent records of grades.

An author's track record for honesty and accuracy is (was?) the foundation of credibility.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by girvo »

thisisit wrote: post #20

If the page loads completely then yes it redirects to medium.com. But you can read the article by interrupting the redirect and clicking the stop button.

This also works for a lot of paywalls. Combine with Reader view in Safari and you’re in business

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by dwighttk »

lostlogin wrote: post #49
StavrosK wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why mouse? Click the link and press escape. You youngsters with your mouses.

And there you go, it turns out that ‘mouses’ is an accepted pleural for a computer mouse. Less horrible than ‘Magic Trackpad 2 — Silvers’ I suppose.

Magic Trackpads 2 — Silver

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by jakeogh »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #42
jfaucett wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is big difference in law and regulation between intention and real-world effects. For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence but has the effects of disproportionately encarcerating youth aka "criminals" under the new law for drug consumption, and thus limiting their opportunities in the socio-economic system. If you look into it I think parent is most li…

big coorps do have massive teams and monetary funds to deal with this legislation, startups and one-man shops do not. That applies to literally every piece of legislation. Yet we don't decide that small restaurants should be exempt from food hygiene laws, or that small construction teams should be exempt from health and safety laws.

Conflating information with feeding someone poison food is so par.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by mattmanser »

jfaucett wrote: post #35
simion314 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law is meant to allow me to delete my account from your cool SV startup, and delete meaning actually delete the data and not deactivate the account but continue using or selling my data. The cookie law is a problem because lazy web developers did not implement it right, probably you complain about don't spam me law because it adds a bit of extra work for adding the unsubscribe link and implement the requierements…

There is big difference in law and regulation between intention and real-world effects. For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence but has the effects of disproportionately encarcerating youth aka "criminals" under the new law for drug consumption, and thus limiting their opportunities in the socio-economic system. If you look into it I think parent is most li…

We haven't seen how they're going to enforce it yet, people throwing tantrums about it doesn't help.

If it's the same as the cookie law or spam rules, they'll come in and say "we've had a complaint, you're doing this wrong, fix it". Then if you don't fix it, they'll fine you.

Not only that, but many of the regulatory enforcers responsible for this in the EU are not particularly well funded and why would they spend the limited resources they have investigating one man bands?

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