I don't really see why this is a deal. If I decide I want to delete the content I put on Medium I very well want them to delete it everywhere else as well.
One could read that as "Medium tries to protect their users content".
Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't read GDPR in details, but isn't GDPR concerned only with personal/private data? The Wayback Machine only archives public pages as far as I can tell...
Yes but the article itself is user-provided content to Medium that the author has a right to ask to be deleted (under GDPR), presumably? So perhaps it will be simply a matter of the The Wayback Machine having to have a policy to delete things if requested?
The Wayback Machine has always had a policy to delete things if requested, so there's no real change there. The most common way site owners do that is by changing robots.txt. In line with the Oakland Archive Policy [1], the Internet Archive respects robots.txt retroactively, so a site owner can get archived versions deleted just by excluding them in the robots file. Besides that, they respond to DMCA takedowns, one-off removal requests [2], etc.
[1] http://www2.sims.berkeley.edu/research/conferences/aps/remov...
Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
#33I don't really see why this is a deal. If I decide I want to delete the content I put on Medium I very well want them to delete it everywhere else as well. One could read that as "Medium tries to protect their users content".
I don't disagree or agree really. I was just interested in the fact they had any kind of policy on it at all.
Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't read GDPR in details, but isn't GDPR concerned only with personal/private data? The Wayback Machine only archives public pages as far as I can tell...
Yes but the article itself is user-provided content to Medium that the author has a right to ask to be deleted (under GDPR), presumably? So perhaps it will be simply a matter of the The Wayback Machine having to have a policy to delete things if requested?
No! GDPR is about personal data, which is well defined in the regulations and does not include blog posts. The right to delete data (or "be forgotten") is nothing to do with GDPR.
If the original post contained personal data, it is a different issue but if that was put out into the public domain, it is a hard problem to solve.
Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can't, and I would like to know what Europe wants to do about it. Block wayback machine in Europe ? Well, I can still access it with a VPN if I want. Also I want to know what they will do about git and GitHub, or even blockchain project (how you delete something from a blockchain ?) The problem is that GDPR is a stupid legislation written by incompetent people that doesn't understand the subject and imposed with…
The law is meant to allow me to delete my account from your cool SV startup, and delete meaning actually delete the data and not deactivate the account but continue using or selling my data. The cookie law is a problem because lazy web developers did not implement it right, probably you complain about don't spam me law because it adds a bit of extra work for adding the unsubscribe link and implement the requierements…
There is big difference in law and regulation between intention and real-world effects. For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence but has the effects of disproportionately encarcerating youth aka "criminals" under the new law for drug consumption, and thus limiting their opportunities in the socio-economic system.
If you look into it I think parent is most likely correct with his predictions since they are easily verifiable i.e. big coorps do have massive teams and monetary funds to deal with this legislation, startups and one-man shops do not. This is completely ignoring the deontological question of what should be the case, where I think most would be in agreement.
Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
#36I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?
They can't, and I would like to know what Europe wants to do about it. Block wayback machine in Europe ? Well, I can still access it with a VPN if I want. Also I want to know what they will do about git and GitHub, or even blockchain project (how you delete something from a blockchain ?) The problem is that GDPR is a stupid legislation written by incompetent people that doesn't understand the subject and imposed with…
Like many aspects of culture, we may have to rely on pirate outfits to archive and preserve things, until the original parties are no longer interested in fighting about it either way, or a long enough time passes that the archived history increases in value and decreases in personal stakes.
Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
#37I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?
They can't, and I would like to know what Europe wants to do about it. Block wayback machine in Europe ? Well, I can still access it with a VPN if I want. Also I want to know what they will do about git and GitHub, or even blockchain project (how you delete something from a blockchain ?) The problem is that GDPR is a stupid legislation written by incompetent people that doesn't understand the subject and imposed with…
What a large number of people fail to realise is that the GDPR applies to any person (natural or legal; a data controller and/or data processor) that holds personal data on a EU citizen or EU resident, regardless of where the data controller (or data processor) is. Obviously EU law can only be enforced in the EU but if you are a business then any funds in the EU that belong to the data controller can be frozen or used to pay court levied fines. Or if an infringing data controller travelled to the EU (or a country with an extradition treaty and similar criminal code) they could potentially be held if a court decides that the behaviour was criminal in nature (some EU jurisdictions are more strict than others).
The only way to completely avoid the GDPR is to not hold personal data of EU citizens or EU residents.
Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
#38I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?
GDPR doesn't change anything in this respect. Copyright law applies.
Why would the owner of the copyright make a complaint to the data protection authorities of the EU who might choose to do nothing when they could directly file a copyright infringement case? I suppose you could add insult to injury, but the data protection agency is likely to rule that the issue is one of copyright infringement.
Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but the article itself is user-provided content to Medium that the author has a right to ask to be deleted (under GDPR), presumably? So perhaps it will be simply a matter of the The Wayback Machine having to have a policy to delete things if requested?
The Wayback Machine has always had a policy to delete things if requested, so there's no real change there. The most common way site owners do that is by changing robots.txt. In line with the Oakland Archive Policy [1], the Internet Archive respects robots.txt retroactively , so a site owner can get archived versions deleted just by excluding them in the robots file. Besides that, they respond to DMCA takedowns, one-…
Changing robots.txt does not delete content from their archives. If you remove the robots.txt file, the content becomes viewable again.
There's no scenario where they can respond to the vast scale of GDPR violations that their archive likely represents, when it comes to manually removing content. There are only three possibilities: avoid the EU as much as possible, dump the archives and start over with an entirely different approach, or shut down. Besides that, these laws are going to get a lot more strict and difficult to comply with, not less strict, over time. This is merely the beginning of aggressive regulation of the Internet. Regulation of the Internet will only move one direction from here, in the direction of increasing burden and ever greater regulation. It's hard to imagine Archive.org's archives surviving what's coming.
Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?
#40I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?
They can't, and I would like to know what Europe wants to do about it. Block wayback machine in Europe ? Well, I can still access it with a VPN if I want. Also I want to know what they will do about git and GitHub, or even blockchain project (how you delete something from a blockchain ?) The problem is that GDPR is a stupid legislation written by incompetent people that doesn't understand the subject and imposed with…
For the love of god, please stop spreading these misinformed views.
1. Nobody in Europe will be blocking anything.
2. The Wayback machine will continue to operate.
3. GDPR is generally pretty well-written legislation, based on extensive experience by privacy regulators across Europe.
There are some questions about exactly how the rules will evolve in practice. The thing to bear in mind is that privacy regulators are interested in compliance, not in punishment.