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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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The law is meant to allow me to delete my account from your cool SV startup, and delete meaning actually delete the data and not deactivate the account but continue using or selling my data. The cookie law is a problem because lazy web developers did not implement it right, probably you complain about don't spam me law because it adds a bit of extra work for adding the unsubscribe link and implement the requierements…

There is big difference in law and regulation between intention and real-world effects. For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence but has the effects of disproportionately encarcerating youth aka "criminals" under the new law for drug consumption, and thus limiting their opportunities in the socio-economic system. If you look into it I think parent is most li…

We need this law, there are enough terms in it and range on how it will applied so the little guys won't have much trouble if their intentions are to comply.

I know that laws get abused but do you see the OP asking to remove laws that are in his favor like copyright law or patents law?

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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A simple solution: don't publish things you don't want people to read. This is no different to burning books that the authors no longer support the views in.

That's actually pretty different. If you purchase a book, you pay for a copy with the expectation of both parties that you own that copy. Putting someone else's work on a different website and serving it to others would be similar to printing copies of someone else's books. If the author changes his views, it wouldn't be acceptable for someone else to print new copies of the book. Making a copy of a website for your…

>If the author changes his views, it wouldn't be acceptable for someone else to print new copies of the book.

When the author burns their own book and forbids new ones from being made is the only time that it's acceptable to print new copies.

Need I remind you of the purpose of copyright?

>To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #98

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A simple solution: don't publish things you don't want people to read. This is no different to burning books that the authors no longer support the views in.

So you're incentivizing people not to write. That's bad, we should encourage people to write. It's OK to make mistakes. I see this problem as an even bigger problem with kids. Kids put everything they do online, and they will probably be ashamed of a lot of these things later in life. Comparing that to Facebook: I guess I shouldn't upload pictures on Facebook because it's against my right to want to see one of my old…

I think a difference can be made about the individual "right to be forgotten" and the transparency/accountability of a public company.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

As I mentioned in a top-level comment, you can use robots.txt to disable Internet Archive's (Wayback Machine) archiving of your site. If you dislike your site being archived, I suggest you do this. Their intention is not to be a monster of the Internet who embarrass creators against their will.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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What a large number of people fail to realise is that the GDPR applies to any person (natural or legal; a data controller and/or data processor) that holds personal data on a EU citizen or EU resident, regardless of where the data controller (or data processor) is. Obviously EU law can only be enforced in the EU but if you are a business then any funds in the EU that belong to the data controller can be frozen or use…

> the GDPR applies to any person (natural or legal; a data controller and/or data processor) that holds personal data on a EU citizen or EU resident Funny, because the GDPR explicitely says this is not the case. Art2. Paragraph 2 This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data: c) by a natural person in the course of a purely personal or household activity;

I was talking about in the context of the medium post / businesses which is what I was replying to. I don't think I have seen anyone complaining about household activities. A red herring.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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GDPR doesn't change anything in this respect. Copyright law applies. Why would the owner of the copyright make a complaint to the data protection authorities of the EU who might choose to do nothing when they could directly file a copyright infringement case? I suppose you could add insult to injury, but the data protection agency is likely to rule that the issue is one of copyright infringement.

I post a letter on a pole. You take a picture of it. I sue you for sharing that pic, and pretend you still have free speech.

You have copyright over that letter, and can definitively sue someone for sharing a picture of it.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Because the data they have might have been produced by EU citizens.

So what? The EU does not get to make laws for other people. That's why we have countries.

I wish you were right.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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There is big difference in law and regulation between intention and real-world effects. For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence but has the effects of disproportionately encarcerating youth aka "criminals" under the new law for drug consumption, and thus limiting their opportunities in the socio-economic system. If you look into it I think parent is most li…

And the effect is quite the opposite as consumption of drug and addiction is much more prevalent than in the places where it is legal. So regulation could have good intentions - and a lot of people believe in the intentions - but the effects are the opposite.

Where are drugs generally legal?

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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So what? The EU does not get to make laws for other people. That's why we have countries.

You are missing the point. The EU makes laws that govern - and at least try to - protect its citizens. If a document on the archive is created by a European citizen, then it is under EU law. That's why every company in the world right now that deals with European citizens is working on supporting GDPR. That also applies here.

Sorry, but the EU has no teeth here to enforce its laws on entities that exist outside the EU.

When the first purely US based company is successfully fined or shut down by the EU I’ll believe in their ability to enforce GDPR.

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