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Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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post #36

I lived in Izmir in the 90's, and the vibe was actually fairly liberal. The locals seemed to feel pretty free, optimistic, and not overly worried about their government. Sad to see things regressing so much.

This is why the rest of Turkey calls İzmir "kâfir". They are the most secular bunch. They are also very pro-ataturk. AKP's projects for that region include bringing migrants to dilute the voter population.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

#82
post #71

Why use protonmail instead of actual PGP that would never be blocked?

Because they would have to maintain their own key pair which could easily be taken by chance, unlike a trusted third party who is in another country's jurisdiction and is unwilling to just hand them over. Not everything is software.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

#83
post #38

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> but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain Do you have a citation? When did that happen?

It wasn't one big event that someone got arrested for using the app. It was, civil polices were arresting anyone who uses crypto-message apps like ByLock. We've seen cases where people sent to prison because they are wearing certain T-short. Really. edit links: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/11/turks-detained... https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mahir-zeynalov/turkish-police...

Here in Lithuania (EU) you can also get in trouble for wearing the wrong t-shirt.

Nazi and Soviet symbols are banned from being shown in public, and you will end up with a fine if caught with a t-shirt or bumper sticker. I believe it’s the case in a few other post-Soviet countries as well.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

#84
post #76

Just a note to anybody who wants to try their free tier, they add a tapatalk-like message in every e-mail you send ('this email was sent via protonmail' or something in that nature), unless you pay. It's not like the e-mail receivers couldn't already see the host, but I was unaware of that when I was registering an account, so I'm calling that a dark pattern. At least it was easy to self-delete it afterwards.

It is just a default email signature that you can see in your compose window and delete manually if you do not wish to pay.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

#85

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So I posted a comment criticizing the fact that the mods revoked my upvoting privs. That prompted a HN user to reach out to me via Keybase, who shared some of my experiences. Apparently his voting privs were revoked back in 2014 or so. My other comment got flagged, so if I want other people to also reach out and submit stories, I have no choice but to repost yet another comment. This will be the last one for awhile.…

Huh. I've had my original handle here shadow-banned for upvoting a low-effort/joke comment (I hadn't posting anything since months). I think yours would've been a more appropriate punishment for me if I was so bad at upvoting lol.

We wouldn't ban anyone for that reason. What was the username?

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

#86

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It says in the post itself if you read it completely. You can also search Twitter: https://twitter.com/okn_plbyk/status/973911230619537408 https://twitter.com/sahinn_oguzhan/status/974163059534106624

So I posted a comment criticizing the fact that the mods revoked my upvoting privs. That prompted a HN user to reach out to me via Keybase, who shared some of my experiences. Apparently his voting privs were revoked back in 2014 or so. My other comment got flagged, so if I want other people to also reach out and submit stories, I have no choice but to repost yet another comment. This will be the last one for awhile.…

Would you please stop posting these off topic rants?

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

#87
post #84
post #76

Just a note to anybody who wants to try their free tier, they add a tapatalk-like message in every e-mail you send ('this email was sent via protonmail' or something in that nature), unless you pay. It's not like the e-mail receivers couldn't already see the host, but I was unaware of that when I was registering an account, so I'm calling that a dark pattern. At least it was easy to self-delete it afterwards.

It is just a default email signature that you can see in your compose window and delete manually if you do not wish to pay.

No, it is not. It is not related to the signature settings anymore.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

#88

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ProtonMail team here. Here is our assessment about how ProtonMail compares to Gmail from the security/privacy perspective: https://protonmail.com/blog/protonmail-vs-gmail-security/

>"No tracking and logging Google records literally every action done by its users. This includes your IP address, every search that you do, which emails you open, which websites you visit, and much more. ProtonMail takes the opposite approach and by default, does not monitor or record user activity, not even IP addresses." Has this been verified by an independent third party? Also how do you determine there's an issu…

Not a user but I would guess follow up on user complaints

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

#89
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't one big event that someone got arrested for using the app. It was, civil polices were arresting anyone who uses crypto-message apps like ByLock. We've seen cases where people sent to prison because they are wearing certain T-short. Really. edit links: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/11/turks-detained... https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mahir-zeynalov/turkish-police...

Here in Lithuania (EU) you can also get in trouble for wearing the wrong t-shirt. Nazi and Soviet symbols are banned from being shown in public, and you will end up with a fine if caught with a t-shirt or bumper sticker. I believe it’s the case in a few other post-Soviet countries as well.

Here in Turkey, you can get arrested for wearing the wrong t-shirt. https://www.google.com/search?q=hero+t+shirt+antalya+arreste...

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

#90

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> Technolgoists need to remember that tech is nothing without law. It works both ways. A law can be almost nothing without technical means to enforce it efficiently. There can be cases that make a law [almost] futile so the governments give it up. E.g. many governments tried to ban alcohol but it's so easy (yet dangerous as it can blow up and set the house on fire, especially if the cook is drunk and/or the hardware…

The technical means to enforce a law are a bunch of guys with sharp sticks.

But programmers building the tools for perfect surveillance are the ones enabling them to know who to stick.
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