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Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by jerheinze »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #21
jerheinze wrote: post #16

To get the Tor Browser try to download it from the official Github repository: https://github.com/thetorproject/gettorbrowser Then use meek-amazon as a pluggable transport which should work.

AFAIK the fact of TOR usage is rather easy to detect. AFAIK (from some news here on HN) you can get SWATed and arrested for a mere suspicion (e.g a false positive by an automated traffic analysis system) of using an end-to-end encrypting messenger or even Twitter in Turkey. I doubt it is legal and safe to use TOR in such countries. We need something that is harder to detect on the client ISP side.

> AFAIK the fact of TOR usage is rater easy to detect.

That's why I said: "Then use meek-amazon as a pluggable transport which should work." meek-amazon makes your traffic look like you're talking to:

> url=https://d2cly7j4zqgua7.cloudfront.net/ front=a0.awsstatic.com

With the snowflake pluggable transport (only available with Linux and Mac alphas for now) the traffic looks like WebRTC.

You can read more about them here:

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/meek

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/Snowflake

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by jerheinze »

walrus01 wrote: post #30
qwerty456127 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK the fact of TOR usage is rather easy to detect. AFAIK (from some news here on HN) you can get SWATed and arrested for a mere suspicion (e.g a false positive by an automated traffic analysis system) of using an end-to-end encrypting messenger or even Twitter in Turkey. I doubt it is legal and safe to use TOR in such countries. We need something that is harder to detect on the client ISP side.

it is by no means foolproof and won't get around a deep packet inspection/flow analysis system, but this is why obfsproxy exists: https://www.google.com/search?q=obfsproxy+tor&ie=utf-8&oe=ut...

But be sure not to use the default bundled obfs4 bridges, they're known.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by qwerty456127 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #20
qwerty456127 wrote: post #18

In just so many countries (including those many people never know are in too) the state-led war on privacy and communication freedom is getting hotter and hotter. Some countries do it openly, some manage to look liberal until you look closer. Just try to start marketing a proprietary privacy-oriented messenger app or something like that and the intelligence guys will emerge promptly at your doorstep, demanding you to…

Technolgoists need to remember that tech is nothing without law.

> Technolgoists need to remember that tech is nothing without law.

It works both ways. A law can be almost nothing without technical means to enforce it efficiently. There can be cases that make a law [almost] futile so the governments give it up. E.g. many governments tried to ban alcohol but it's so easy (yet dangerous as it can blow up and set the house on fire, especially if the cook is drunk and/or the hardware is amateur) to produce at home that fighting it seriously just doesn't seem to make any sense. Some governments have tried to ban the phalaris grass as it may contain tiny amounts of ​dimethyltryptamines but it just grows all over everywhere so they have given up the ban as it was almost as ridiculous as it would be to ban sand, flies or whatever this common. The problem is to invent a medium for exchanging messages that is easy to establish independently (no need for uncommon devices, no special requirements to the underlying ISP) yet very hard to detect, compromise or disrupt. This sounds like a serious challenge yet not like an entirely impossible thing provided breakthroughs in mathematics/cryptography, physics and the telecom tech still happen from time to time. Some political/economical factors may also play on our side occasionally. My hope is for the whole Internet to morph into a fully-decentralized distributed network employing DIY P2P links as its organic and vital part. Perhaps this may happen once if something is going to make classic ISPs unprofitable and stimulate growth of MESH networks with something like i2P serving as a layer connecting them in one secure and reliable global network.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by dsacco »

JepZ wrote: post #29

Actually, I am not sure if it wise to circumvent that block. I mean its probably as easy as typing echo "8.8.8.8" > /etc/hosts to a root shell, but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain, I suspect that something similarly can happen to the people who try to use Proton mail. On the other hand, if everybody stops using…

> but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain

Do you have a citation? When did that happen?

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by batuhanw »

dsacco wrote: post #38
JepZ wrote: post #29

Actually, I am not sure if it wise to circumvent that block. I mean its probably as easy as typing echo "8.8.8.8" > /etc/hosts to a root shell, but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain, I suspect that something similarly can happen to the people who try to use Proton mail. On the other hand, if everybody stops using…

> but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain Do you have a citation? When did that happen?

It wasn't one big event that someone got arrested for using the app. It was, civil polices were arresting anyone who uses crypto-message apps like ByLock.

We've seen cases where people sent to prison because they are wearing certain T-short. Really.

edit links:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/11/turks-detained...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mahir-zeynalov/turkish-police...

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