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Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by qwerty456127 »

jerheinze wrote: post #16

To get the Tor Browser try to download it from the official Github repository: https://github.com/thetorproject/gettorbrowser Then use meek-amazon as a pluggable transport which should work.

AFAIK the fact of TOR usage is rather easy to detect. AFAIK (from some news here on HN) you can get SWATed and arrested for a mere suspicion (e.g a false positive by an automated traffic analysis system) of using an end-to-end encrypting messenger or even Twitter in Turkey. I doubt it is legal and safe to use TOR in such countries. We need something that is harder to detect on the client ISP side.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

throwawan wrote: post #12
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's not blocked in Turkey, but by one provider - Vodafone Turkey Source?

It says in the post itself if you read it completely. You can also search Twitter: https://twitter.com/okn_plbyk/status/973911230619537408 https://twitter.com/sahinn_oguzhan/status/974163059534106624

It's very annoying that I'm no longer allowed to upvote. Providing sources is something that should not be downvoted.

Also mods, if you're reading, fuck you for revoking my upvoting privileges. I did nothing to deserve that. Especially not for three months and counting.

EDIT: Just got a very interesting keybase message from a user who shares my experience. His voting privs have been revoked since 2014. Apparently I get to look forward to years of this, for reasons that were never explained at all. (I tried asking.)

If you have similar stories of abuse, I encourage you to send them over to me. I've been collecting them and will hopefully write ... something. I'm not sure what, yet. All I know is that we all helped make this community what it is today, and there's nowhere else to go.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by woodandsteel »

throwawan wrote: post #4

Misleading title: "ProtonMail is being blocked in Turkey", it's not blocked in Turkey, but by one provider - Vodafone Turkey. And for full disclosure you should mention that you work for Protonmail when you post here.

So tell us, throwawan, do you support or oppose this action?

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by ransom1538 »

nukeop wrote: post #17
ransom1538 wrote: post #9

They recommend ProtonVPN. Does anyone know the legal ramifications of using a vpn with shared exit nodes? EG: A 'crack' squad of computer crime investigators in Jackson Mississippi track illegally uploaded content to a forum originating from ip address [39.21.2.32] (which is a VPN exit node). Unbeknownst to you that is YOUR exit node now. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/09/digital-equivalent-rum...

Why would that be any different to getting assigned somebody's previous IP address by DHCP? It's non-incriminating because it can be demonstrated you didn't control that IP during the time illegal content was uploaded.

True. But my general ISP dhcp'ed ip address doesn't change much AND when it does I have decent odds someone (who would do illegal uploads) wouldn't be dumb enough to do it over a non-VPNed line.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by protonmail »

tsax wrote: post #22

Forgive me for this n00b question, but what do you get with ProtonMail (with respect to security) that you don't get with, say, gmail?

ProtonMail team here. Here is our assessment about how ProtonMail compares to Gmail from the security/privacy perspective: https://protonmail.com/blog/protonmail-vs-gmail-security/

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by jgrid007 »

croshan wrote: post #13
luxpir wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't you actually agreeing? He's saying they'll use tunneling to get around the block so they can carry on using it.

No, he's saying that some (possibly many) users know how to use the service, but not VPNs or TOR. Therefore, they are easily blocked, compared to advanced users.

First time I agree with somebody in internet without saying the same things

It’s easy to bypass the block, even for non savvy users. They just need some help.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by natvert »

Spooky23 wrote: post #20
qwerty456127 wrote: post #18

In just so many countries (including those many people never know are in too) the state-led war on privacy and communication freedom is getting hotter and hotter. Some countries do it openly, some manage to look liberal until you look closer. Just try to start marketing a proprietary privacy-oriented messenger app or something like that and the intelligence guys will emerge promptly at your doorstep, demanding you to…

Technolgoists need to remember that tech is nothing without law.

Lawyers and law makers need to remember technology will continually outpace them. Both in execution of ideas and in value creation.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by JepZ »

Actually, I am not sure if it wise to circumvent that block. I mean its probably as easy as typing

  echo "8.8.8.8" > /etc/hosts
to a root shell, but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain, I suspect that something similarly can happen to the people who try to use Proton mail.

On the other hand, if everybody stops using those services, the surveillance tyrants have won...

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by walrus01 »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #21
jerheinze wrote: post #16

To get the Tor Browser try to download it from the official Github repository: https://github.com/thetorproject/gettorbrowser Then use meek-amazon as a pluggable transport which should work.

AFAIK the fact of TOR usage is rather easy to detect. AFAIK (from some news here on HN) you can get SWATed and arrested for a mere suspicion (e.g a false positive by an automated traffic analysis system) of using an end-to-end encrypting messenger or even Twitter in Turkey. I doubt it is legal and safe to use TOR in such countries. We need something that is harder to detect on the client ISP side.

it is by no means foolproof and won't get around a deep packet inspection/flow analysis system, but this is why obfsproxy exists:

https://www.google.com/search?q=obfsproxy+tor&ie=utf-8&oe=ut...

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