Why use protonmail instead of actual PGP that would never be blocked?
ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
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Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it's not blocked in Turkey, but by one provider - Vodafone Turkey. But it has been blocked at the request of the Turkish government. So it has been blocked in Turkey (a large portion of people in Turkey cannot access it -- given how popular it is), and also blocked by Turkey (since it was government ordered). I'm not sure what your requirement is to say that something is blocked in a country, but far more than 30%…
>"But it has been blocked at the request of the Turkish government." Where is the proof of this? Where is the layer 3 evidence of showing that users in this AS can not route to Protonmail? These are things that are quite easy to demonstrate. What did Proton Mail's ISPs say?
Did you read the article? The details and how it was confirmed is in there.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"But it has been blocked at the request of the Turkish government." Where is the proof of this? Where is the layer 3 evidence of showing that users in this AS can not route to Protonmail? These are things that are quite easy to demonstrate. What did Proton Mail's ISPs say?
Did you read the article? The details and how it was confirmed is in there.
Yeah I did. It's a bit hand-wavey on technical details and actual time frames. It mostly reads more like a press release and I believe that's the point of it.
There's another very real possibility which is that Vodaphone's NOC will get back to you within 24 hours and help you resolve the problem. Such a time frame is quite common with large ISPs. The reality is that you are a small potato to them.
But I'm guessing that considering this possibility would stand in the way or using this as an opportunity to generate publicity.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It says in the post itself if you read it completely. You can also search Twitter: https://twitter.com/okn_plbyk/status/973911230619537408 https://twitter.com/sahinn_oguzhan/status/974163059534106624
So I posted a comment criticizing the fact that the mods revoked my upvoting privs. That prompted a HN user to reach out to me via Keybase, who shared some of my experiences. Apparently his voting privs were revoked back in 2014 or so. My other comment got flagged, so if I want other people to also reach out and submit stories, I have no choice but to repost yet another comment. This will be the last one for awhile.…
Huh. I've had my original handle here shadow-banned for upvoting a low-effort/joke comment (I hadn't posting anything since months). I think yours would've been a more appropriate punishment for me if I was so bad at upvoting lol.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#75In just so many countries (including those many people never know are in too) the state-led war on privacy and communication freedom is getting hotter and hotter. Some countries do it openly, some manage to look liberal until you look closer. Just try to start marketing a proprietary privacy-oriented messenger app or something like that and the intelligence guys will emerge promptly at your doorstep, demanding you to…
"the intelligence guys will emerge promptly at your doorstep" - for the US, I'm emotionally inclined to agree with you. ProtonMail was developed in Geneva, where I grew up. It was a spin-off from people who worked at CERN, like the World Wide Web itself. Geneva is also a United Nations base, and many other NGOs are headquartered/have offices in the area for that reason (the Red Cross, WWF, Amnesty, Greenpeace). There…
"Just try to start marketing a proprietary privacy-oriented messenger app or something like that and the intelligence guys will emerge promptly at your doorstep, demanding you to bake a backdoor in"
Nope...Been making one for 3+ years, worked on high risk human rights type stuff for over a decade and never happened.
Surprisingly most people doing things in this space don't have g-men kicking in the door. Live in UK, Ireland and many other countries and hasn't been an issue.
Might not seem real to a lot of people who are affected by certain biases but most Western government type people we meet at conferences etc are actually quietly supportive and respectly agree/disagree with what we are all trying to do. Not eveything is a black or white echo chamber - we are all citizens who understand nuance (for those of us fortunate to live on free countries - of course Turkey is no longer anything near that.)
FWIW Protonmail is very useful for a large chunk of threat models were security is pretty high but implementing PGP in all its various forms is a pain the ass.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#76Just a note to anybody who wants to try their free tier, they add a tapatalk-like message in every e-mail you send ('this email was sent via protonmail' or something in that nature), unless you pay.
It's not like the e-mail receivers couldn't already see the host, but I was unaware of that when I was registering an account, so I'm calling that a dark pattern.
At least it was easy to self-delete it afterwards.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#77Probably impossible to tell, but I'm willing to bet this is related to the fact that the YPG uses ProtonMail for communications.
Is there actually a public source for this? We were not aware of this (but then again, we know almost nothing about users)
They YPG International communications page:
http://ypg-international.org/contact/
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#78A totalitarian government blocking a service is a good sign they are unable to break its security and thus use it as a surveillance tool. It's a great advertisement for ProtonMail.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#79A totalitarian government blocking a service is a good sign they are unable to break its security and thus use it as a surveillance tool. It's a great advertisement for ProtonMail.
Unable to break its security or the service's owners are not cooperating.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#80I lived in Izmir in the 90's, and the vibe was actually fairly liberal. The locals seemed to feel pretty free, optimistic, and not overly worried about their government. Sad to see things regressing so much.
Everywhere is regressing at the moment. Brexit, US protectionism, China's a dictatorship again. It's like none of the 'leaders of the world' have read any history. Or they have, and are arrogant enough to think 'that won't happen now that I'M in charge'.
It could also have to do with the unprecedented means of mass surveillance available today.