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Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by JepZ »

dsacco wrote: post #38
JepZ wrote: post #29

Actually, I am not sure if it wise to circumvent that block. I mean its probably as easy as typing echo "8.8.8.8" > /etc/hosts to a root shell, but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain, I suspect that something similarly can happen to the people who try to use Proton mail. On the other hand, if everybody stops using…

> but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain Do you have a citation? When did that happen?

I had the Bylock story in mind:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16203989

There were other apps using tracking pixels with the Bylock domain and their users got arrested too.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by protonmail »

bogomipz wrote: post #50

>"Our support team first became aware of connectivity problems for Turkish ProtonMail users starting on Tuesday. After further investigation, we determined that protonmail.com was unreachable for both Vodafone Turkey mobile and fixed line users. Since then, we have also received some sporadic reports from users of other Turkish ISPs. At one point, the issue was prevalent in every single major city in Turkey. After in…

ProtonMail is quite prevalent in Turkey and there are actually ProtonMail users who work within Vodafone Turkey, and that is how we got the confirmation.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by bogomipz »

kevinSuttle wrote: post #35
tsax wrote: post #22

Forgive me for this n00b question, but what do you get with ProtonMail (with respect to security) that you don't get with, say, gmail?

ProtonMail isn’t run by a data mining ad agency that works on military drones.

Not but its been around now for 17 years without a major security breach.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by asp_hornet »

tsax wrote: post #22

Forgive me for this n00b question, but what do you get with ProtonMail (with respect to security) that you don't get with, say, gmail?

Encryption between protonmail accounts and when sending to non proton mail accounts:

When you send an encrypted message to a non-ProtonMail user, they receive a link which loads the encrypted message onto their browser, which they can decrypt using a passphrase that you have shared with them. You can also send unencrypted messages to Gmail, Yahoo, Outlook and others, just like regular email.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by JepZ »

tsax wrote: post #22

Forgive me for this n00b question, but what do you get with ProtonMail (with respect to security) that you don't get with, say, gmail?

I am neither a ProtonMail nor a Gmail user so this might be completely wrong, but as far as I understand it, the short answer to your question is:

ProtonMail offers an easy access to a client which supports End-To-End encryption for your emails.

So nobody besides the sender and the receiver can read the content of the email. Traditional emails are more or less plain text files which (usually) get encrypted for transfers between mail servers, but every mail server involved in the transmission can read the content.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by bogomipz »

protonmail wrote: post #26
tsax wrote: post #22

Forgive me for this n00b question, but what do you get with ProtonMail (with respect to security) that you don't get with, say, gmail?

ProtonMail team here. Here is our assessment about how ProtonMail compares to Gmail from the security/privacy perspective: https://protonmail.com/blog/protonmail-vs-gmail-security/

>"No tracking and logging Google records literally every action done by its users. This includes your IP address, every search that you do, which emails you open, which websites you visit, and much more. ProtonMail takes the opposite approach and by default, does not monitor or record user activity, not even IP addresses."

Has this been verified by an independent third party?

Also how do you determine there's an issue with with IP prefixes in AS 15897 Vodaphone Turkey[1], if you don't log IP addresses?

[1] https://bgpview.io/asn/15897

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

throwawan wrote: post #12
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's not blocked in Turkey, but by one provider - Vodafone Turkey Source?

It says in the post itself if you read it completely. You can also search Twitter: https://twitter.com/okn_plbyk/status/973911230619537408 https://twitter.com/sahinn_oguzhan/status/974163059534106624

So I posted a comment criticizing the fact that the mods revoked my upvoting privs. That prompted a HN user to reach out to me via Keybase, who shared some of my experiences. Apparently his voting privs were revoked back in 2014 or so.

My other comment got flagged, so if I want other people to also reach out and submit stories, I have no choice but to repost yet another comment. This will be the last one for awhile.

If you have similar stories of abuse by the HN moderators, I encourage you to reach out and share them with me. Unlike pretty much anyone else, I happen to care a lot about this. This feels unethical, since there's nowhere else for us to go. We all helped shape this community into what it is today.

I'll be collating the experiences and posting them somewhere. At least people will know what's happening to those who participate on HN.

The mods' standard defense is always the same: We have more data. We know better than you. It's our job. You can't possibly understand and we certainly don't have time to explain it.

And the front page appears to work and the comments appear to be good on HN, so nobody sticks up or tries to change anything.

But that's little consolation to those who have to suffer the gaslighting effect of having their privileges passive-aggressively yanked from them without explanation, with no choice other than to grovel to hn@ycombinator.com or switch accounts.

I'm up to four others who have contacted me so far. It's taken months of effort to even get those few. But I'm convinced there are very many people in similar situations. We just never hear about it because you're not allowed to talk about it.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by bogomipz »

protonmail wrote: post #53
bogomipz wrote: post #50

>"Our support team first became aware of connectivity problems for Turkish ProtonMail users starting on Tuesday. After further investigation, we determined that protonmail.com was unreachable for both Vodafone Turkey mobile and fixed line users. Since then, we have also received some sporadic reports from users of other Turkish ISPs. At one point, the issue was prevalent in every single major city in Turkey. After in…

ProtonMail is quite prevalent in Turkey and there are actually ProtonMail users who work within Vodafone Turkey, and that is how we got the confirmation.

So did you also contact their NOC via the handle listed for them in their RIPE routing registry entry? That's the normal protocol.

Just because there's "ProtonMail users who work within Vodafone Turkey" doesn't mean they have enable level access on Vodaphone's routers.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

tyingq wrote: post #36

I lived in Izmir in the 90's, and the vibe was actually fairly liberal. The locals seemed to feel pretty free, optimistic, and not overly worried about their government. Sad to see things regressing so much.

Everywhere is regressing at the moment. Brexit, US protectionism, China's a dictatorship again.

It's like none of the 'leaders of the world' have read any history. Or they have, and are arrogant enough to think 'that won't happen now that I'M in charge'.

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