Actually, I am not sure if it wise to circumvent that block. I mean its probably as easy as typing echo "8.8.8.8" > /etc/hosts to a root shell, but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain, I suspect that something similarly can happen to the people who try to use Proton mail. On the other hand, if everybody stops using…
> but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain Do you have a citation? When did that happen?
ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
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Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#42I think they have not been blocked, rather they had an outage.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#43I think they have not been blocked, rather they had an outage. https://twitter.com/ProtonMail/status/974167124892700673
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Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Technolgoists need to remember that tech is nothing without law.
> Technolgoists need to remember that tech is nothing without law. It works both ways. A law can be almost nothing without technical means to enforce it efficiently. There can be cases that make a law [almost] futile so the governments give it up. E.g. many governments tried to ban alcohol but it's so easy (yet dangerous as it can blow up and set the house on fire, especially if the cook is drunk and/or the hardware…
The technical means to enforce a law are a bunch of guys with sharp sticks.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Technolgoists need to remember that tech is nothing without law. It works both ways. A law can be almost nothing without technical means to enforce it efficiently. There can be cases that make a law [almost] futile so the governments give it up. E.g. many governments tried to ban alcohol but it's so easy (yet dangerous as it can blow up and set the house on fire, especially if the cook is drunk and/or the hardware…
The technical means to enforce a law are a bunch of guys with sharp sticks.
They can hardly run around sticking everyone for having what everybody can have easily and what is not easily visible unless too many people start collaborating and reporting each other.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#46I think they have not been blocked, rather they had an outage. https://twitter.com/ProtonMail/status/974167124892700673
There was a brief outage, but the block in Turkey is something entirely different.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#47To get the Tor Browser try to download it from the official Github repository: https://github.com/thetorproject/gettorbrowser Then use meek-amazon as a pluggable transport which should work.
> ... should work
If it doesn't, people could get arrested and worse. Is this advice reliable enough for that level of risk?
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#48Probably impossible to tell, but I'm willing to bet this is related to the fact that the YPG uses ProtonMail for communications.
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#49To get the Tor Browser try to download it from the official Github repository: https://github.com/thetorproject/gettorbrowser Then use meek-amazon as a pluggable transport which should work.
AFAIK the fact of TOR usage is rather easy to detect. AFAIK (from some news here on HN) you can get SWATed and arrested for a mere suspicion (e.g a false positive by an automated traffic analysis system) of using an end-to-end encrypting messenger or even Twitter in Turkey. I doubt it is legal and safe to use TOR in such countries. We need something that is harder to detect on the client ISP side.
> "We need something that is harder to detect on the client ISP side."
That's what Telex[1][2] is designed to do. Too bad the project seems to have stalled.
[1] https://telex.cc
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telex_(anti-censorship_system)
Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey
#50>"Our support team first became aware of connectivity problems for Turkish ProtonMail users starting on Tuesday. After further investigation, we determined that protonmail.com was unreachable for both Vodafone Turkey mobile and fixed line users. Since then, we have also received some sporadic reports from users of other Turkish ISPs. At one point, the issue was prevalent in every single major city in Turkey. After investigating the issue along with members of the ProtonMail community in Turkey, we have confirmed this is a government-ordered block rather than a technical glitch. Internet censorship in Turkey tends to be fluid so the situation is constantly evolving"
Vodaphone like every major ISP has a NOC. Did Prontomail reach out to the ISP to see if it was a routing issue?
I don't see that mentioned above anywhere in the investigation methodology. How did you confirm that it was a "government-ordered block" if you only worked with "members of the ProtonMail community'?