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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by mywittyname » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:30 PM UTC

what10th wrote: post #128

wellactually wrote: post #101

> The problem? Florida doesn’t have the authority to adopt daylight saving time year-round. > The federal government controls the nation’s time zones, as well as the start and end dates of daylight saving time. States can choose to exempt themselves from daylight saving time — Arizona and Hawaii do — but nothing in federal law allows them to exempt themselves from standard time.

we're all familiar with the article in the constitution that gives the federal government the power to decide for states how to set their clocks, i assume. i guess you can always count on the times to advocate for centralized power

You're talking about the Commerce Clause?

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:31 PM UTC

Y_Y wrote: post #125

walrus01 wrote: post #97

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Afghanistan is +4:30 , which is different from both Iran and Pakistan

Afghanistan also borders China, and the time jumps three and a half hours at the border.

Most places in Xinjiang have an unofficial local time that they use in addition to official Chinese standard time. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Time

One can imagine in Kashgar the ridiculousness of Beijing time is even more noticeable than in Urumuqi.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by rspeer » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:32 PM UTC

yakk0 wrote: post #144

FreeFull wrote: post #54

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DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south, but definitely doesn't if you're closer to the equator. And for Florida DST probably never made sense.

except this law would make DST the official time of Florida, not standard time (though only if Congress changes a law that allows states to do so). Other states like Arizona have exempted themselves from DST, which the federal government allows them to do.

It would put Florida onto Atlantic Standard Time. The simple description of how to get there is to shift to DST one summer and never shift back.

The same thing has been proposed in New England, if enough states agree to do it simultaneously.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by krapp » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:33 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #162

what10th wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we're all familiar with the article in the constitution that gives the federal government the power to decide for states how to set their clocks, i assume. i guess you can always count on the times to advocate for centralized power

The Constitution grants the federal government the power to pass laws, and "setting your own time" isn't explicitly enumerated as a right that is reserved to the states.

Any rights not granted to the Federal government by the Constitution are reserved by the states and the people by default.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by mattigames » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:34 PM UTC

function_seven wrote: post #100

golangnews wrote: post #77

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That’s exactly what DST is No, it’s not. Time zones and DST change clock time, this suggestion is to instead change the agreed times for work in a given place.

That seems like a distinction without a difference, though. If the government says, "Between x and y months, all work start and stop times will shift earlier by one hour", it has the same effect as moving the clock itself. I should rephrase my comment: "That's effectively what DST is"

Not even a little bit the same; timezone are extremely crucial for communication, if people outside the state don't have to look up the current timezone to understand "3:00 PM" means exactly the same one month from now that's a win all round.

Also, now that everyone has a powerful computer in their pockets its extremely useful to register the times without changes based on regional laws.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by fold » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:35 PM UTC

irrational wrote: post #26

fold wrote: post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

You might want to move to China. Even though the country "should" have 5+ timezones, it only has 1 (Beijing Standard Time).

Alaska is close enough, it's wide enough to cover 4 timezones

http://www.alaska.org/how-big-is-alaska

Granted most people live in the space of 1 or 2.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by runarberg » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:35 PM UTC

Iceland went to a permanent DST (GMT) back in the 60’s. But health officials are seriously advocating moving Iceland back closer to the solar noon (GMT-0100). Apparently consistently waking up way before sun rise may have negative consequences on the general public.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by HeavenFox » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:37 PM UTC

irrational wrote: post #26

fold wrote: post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

You might want to move to China. Even though the country "should" have 5+ timezones, it only has 1 (Beijing Standard Time).

People say this all the time. But if you look at a population density map of China, you realize that the vast majority of people live within the natural GMT+8 range, and the western region is very sparsely populated.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by birdmanjeremy » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:38 PM UTC

castis wrote: post #74

birdmanjeremy wrote: post #13

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This is such a terrible idea.

Come on, acting dramatic without offering anything to the discussion is completely useless behavior. Why is it terrible?

It appears someone beat me to it, take a look above. It's been a topic of discussion here before, and there are some very good reasons why this is not the case. Like not knowing what time someone might be awake in a different location, or not knowing what business hours might be across the world.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by birdmanjeremy » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 10:38 PM UTC

trimbo wrote: post #40

birdmanjeremy wrote: post #12

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PDT FOREVER!

As an early riser, PST forever! I vote we do a half hour compromise.

I would accept your compromise in the winter, but I'm keeping my 8:30 sunset in the summer.