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PDT FOREVER!
As an early riser, PST forever! I vote we do a half hour compromise.
Your resolve is weak!
Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
#52Big props to ending the madness of skipping 1h back and forth each year. However, what's wrong with tracking solar noon, so it's near 1200 instead of being near 1300? (if you argue you want more time with daylight after work, why not just set your work hours as 8-16, or even 7-15, instead of manipulating all other people's clocks).
Most people don't choose their working hours.
Governments don't mandate working hours either.
Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
#53Big props to ending the madness of skipping 1h back and forth each year. However, what's wrong with tracking solar noon, so it's near 1200 instead of being near 1300? (if you argue you want more time with daylight after work, why not just set your work hours as 8-16, or even 7-15, instead of manipulating all other people's clocks).
I remember asking my ninth grade high school teacher that. I had just read a book, one of Rick Cook's wizardry books. A programmer fell into an alternate, fantasy magic-capable world, and time was tracked by the actual position of the sun. I thought it was a great idea and asked my teacher about it.
My science teacher immediately came back with objections that I didn't understand until a few years later. If you were investigating science, lots of things would be problematic.
Since then, I noticed some interesting things. Lots of pre-modern practices and rituals tracked solar noon. Allowing it to flex meant that there were greater alignment with the solstices and equinoxes. In a magic-capable fantasy world, tracking solar noon is sensible.
I also remember reading things like, how standardized time was a modern invention that created a particular view of the world. And then an article about that debate between Borges and Einstein. We remember Einstein, but not Borges. Borges, in his time, was the pre-eminant philosopher on time. He was influential enough that Einstein did not receive the Nobel Prize for his work on relatively.
Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
#54Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!
DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south, but definitely doesn't if you're closer to the equator. And for Florida DST probably never made sense.
Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
#55I'm torn on this. Yes, having a shift of a full hour in a week is obnoxious. However, the natural sun up and sun down time changes so dramatically in its own, that it is hard to really complain about it. If anything, I could see society moving to a time more based on when the sun comes up. Yes, there are difficulties scheduling something with someone across distance on the earth. But... I don't see a practical soluti…
Florida is trying to act early. Ending daylight saving time is becoming popular throughout the US. Florida's tourism market would reap more gains if we fixed the clocks with an extra hour of sunlight in the evenings.
Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
#56I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.
Yes! I've always thought that we have it backwards. Why do we give ourselves more daylight in the summer when the days are naturally longer? If anything we should move them forward in the winter when we actually need it. That or eliminate it altogether, keeping "daylight-time" the default.
> Why do we give ourselves more daylight in the summer when the days are naturally longer? If
Because:
(1) Businesses want to keep consistent hours, (2) lots of work is more efficient with natural light (and people are better at getting up for work when it isn't significantly pre-dawn that they have to do that), (3) people seem more prone to do non-work activity out of the home after work and when there is sunlight; so, to preserve natural light for work when it is scarce and maximize what is available after work when it is plentiful, we turn the clocks back when the days are longer.
Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
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You might want to move to China. Even though the country "should" have 5+ timezones, it only has 1 (Beijing Standard Time).
Or any country, since timezones only have a 1 hour granularity. If you're in Edinburgh (same longitude as Plymouth) this is quite noticable. Be interesting to see the consequences of hyper-local timezones where the sun is always over your head at 12 noon. With modern computing it should be possible to have your watch adjust as you drive east-west ...
Time zones can have any granularity desired. Most are 1 hour, several are 30 minutes (including in India and Australia), and a few are 45 minutes (in New Zealand, for example). There’s no rule though about granularity though.
Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
#58this is going to be annoying to implement in software.
Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might want to move to China. Even though the country "should" have 5+ timezones, it only has 1 (Beijing Standard Time).
Or any country, since timezones only have a 1 hour granularity. If you're in Edinburgh (same longitude as Plymouth) this is quite noticable. Be interesting to see the consequences of hyper-local timezones where the sun is always over your head at 12 noon. With modern computing it should be possible to have your watch adjust as you drive east-west ...
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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
#60I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.
But why do we need to change the time on the clock in order to have this? Just go into work an hour early, and leave an hour early. If it is a matter of coordination, have an official government statement that summer business hours adjust during x - z months.
> Just go into work an hour early, and leave an hour early.
Boss, clients, etc won't allow me to.
> If it is a matter of coordination, have an official government statement that summer business hours adjust during x - z months.
That's exactly^H^H^H^H effectively what DST is.