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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by mkempe » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:33 PM UTC

Big props to ending the madness of skipping 1h back and forth each year.

However, what's wrong with tracking solar noon, so it's near 1200 instead of being near 1300? (if you argue you want more time with daylight after work, why not just set your work hours as 8-16, or even 7-15, instead of manipulating all other people's clocks).

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by tombert » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

My parents live in Orlando...this is going to really confuse me when I call them from New York, which used to be the same time zone.

Oh well, I think this is the right decision in the long run, I hope the rest of the states follow.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by koolba » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #7

taeric wrote: post #2

I'm torn on this. Yes, having a shift of a full hour in a week is obnoxious. However, the natural sun up and sun down time changes so dramatically in its own, that it is hard to really complain about it. If anything, I could see society moving to a time more based on when the sun comes up. Yes, there are difficulties scheduling something with someone across distance on the earth. But... I don't see a practical soluti…

UTC everywhere, done.

Only if they get rid of leap seconds as well.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by taeric » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #7

taeric wrote: post #2

I'm torn on this. Yes, having a shift of a full hour in a week is obnoxious. However, the natural sun up and sun down time changes so dramatically in its own, that it is hard to really complain about it. If anything, I could see society moving to a time more based on when the sun comes up. Yes, there are difficulties scheduling something with someone across distance on the earth. But... I don't see a practical soluti…

UTC everywhere, done.

That doesn't actually help... My problem is that I walk the kids to school every day. A few weeks ago, it was solidly dark when we did this walk. Now it is broad daylight. Will remain that way for the rest of the year. Even with the change in time coming up.

I confess in the grand scheme, this is not a major concern of mine. It isn't as easy as just moving to UTC, though. When families move, you typically try and keep the same "clock" bedtimes, as an easy example. (Even though, they actually care about sun height for bedtime/waketime.)

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by benrbray » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

mkempe wrote: post #21

Big props to ending the madness of skipping 1h back and forth each year. However, what's wrong with tracking solar noon, so it's near 1200 instead of being near 1300? (if you argue you want more time with daylight after work, why not just set your work hours as 8-16, or even 7-15, instead of manipulating all other people's clocks).

Most people don't choose their working hours.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by irrational » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

fold wrote: post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

You might want to move to China. Even though the country "should" have 5+ timezones, it only has 1 (Beijing Standard Time).

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by chillingeffect » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

hypervis0r wrote: post #14

Sargos wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just gave systems programmers panic attack with those words.

Can confirm, just got a slight arrhythmia just by reading that

the interesting thing is daylight savings' shifts do cause heart attacks!

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=heart+attacks+daylight+savings&t=f...

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by inetknght » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:36 PM UTC

> In parts of Maine, for example, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, the sun sets before 4 p.m. — more than an hour earlier than it does in Detroit, at the other end of the Eastern time zone.

Why is the solution "permanent daylight savings"? Why is it not "let's split up the timezones better"?

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by nick238 » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:36 PM UTC

This is reason #532 or so why we need gigantic libraries to deal with dates and times. "24 hours in a day", "60 seconds in a minute", lol, no.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by bunderbunder » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:37 PM UTC

space_fountain wrote: post #15

birdmanjeremy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a terrible idea.

Why? Vary opening hours now the time. Makes sense to me.

You'd end up with the official calendar day either flipping in the middle of the day, or at a different time in every locale.