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Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!

Is it really that big of a deal? It has never bothered me. If waking up a hour early totally messes up your life it might be time to reconsider your priorities.

Don’t know why you are getting downvoted for this. Two of my favourite days of the year are when we change the clocks, there is suddenly a shift in what the world looks like at certain times of day and throw things into a different perspective. Permenant DST makes the most sense out of the two options but I like the shift enough that I’d prefer the model we have - I think people’s negativity towards it is due to a dislike of change and a lack of understanding on its origins, it’s sad that the chap who first proposed it didn’t get to see it implemented.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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This is such a terrible idea.

Why? Vary opening hours now the time. Makes sense to me.

It sounds like a decent idea on the surface but then times would be meaningless. Right now a time "means" the same thing everywhere. When we ask "what time is it in Japan?" we understand the answer. We understand when its "noon" in Japan, we know whereabouts in the day it is and what we can expect people to normally be doing, ex, eating lunch. If it's 3am in Japan we know its not a great time to call beyond emergencies.

If you're in the East Coast US and its 5am and at the same time its also 5am in Japan, but they mean different things, you no longer "understand" what time it is in Japan. You don't really have much of a way of answering "is it a good time to call someone in Japan?" - You have to figure out a way to "translate" from your time to theirs. It would be very, very confusing. So in the end you'd end up re-inventing time zones.

It only works if nobody knows anything about other parts of the world.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

#123
post #10

Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!

DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south, but definitely doesn't if you're closer to the equator. And for Florida DST probably never made sense.

If you are sufficiently far north / south, you adapt your culture to not treat 4pm like people who have 18 hours of sunshine every day year round treat 4pm. You don't change the clock and act like thats changing the flow of time.

It helps that you almost certainly already don't treat 4pm like that anyway since you are wearing 4 layers of clothing while those 18 hour sunshiners are going shirtless.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

#124
post #10

Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!

PDT FOREVER!

This. As a parent, I would love to have daylight after work so that I can enjoy some time with my kid outdoors. It is depressing to pick up your child when it is already dark outside.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact, Nepal's timezone is UTC+5:45.

Afghanistan is +4:30 , which is different from both Iran and Pakistan

Afghanistan also borders China, and the time jumps three and a half hours at the border.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

#127
post #10

Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!

Is it really that big of a deal? It has never bothered me. If waking up a hour early totally messes up your life it might be time to reconsider your priorities.

You just get so, so much roadkill on time change day.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

#128

> The problem? Florida doesn’t have the authority to adopt daylight saving time year-round. > The federal government controls the nation’s time zones, as well as the start and end dates of daylight saving time. States can choose to exempt themselves from daylight saving time — Arizona and Hawaii do — but nothing in federal law allows them to exempt themselves from standard time.

we're all familiar with the article in the constitution that gives the federal government the power to decide for states how to set their clocks, i assume.

i guess you can always count on the times to advocate for centralized power

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

#129
post #87
post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

As nice as that would be for code, people would still be left with trying to answer "is this a reasonable time to contact someone?" across great distances. The utility provided by time zones is a function for us to take our local time and determine whether or not we're interrupting someone's evening or sleep. Not to mention, travel alarm clocks everywhere would need to be sold with a book of "reasonable waking times"…

Seeing as almost no comms are direct, they are all intermediated by code, let the receiver decide. I for one would decide to never get contacted. :)

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

#130
post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

You might want to move to China. Even though the country "should" have 5+ timezones, it only has 1 (Beijing Standard Time).

How does this affect people living on Western borders in China ? Do they have really long days ?
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