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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by bunderbunder » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:53 PM UTC

FreeFull wrote: post #54

bhauer wrote: post #10

Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!

DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south, but definitely doesn't if you're closer to the equator. And for Florida DST probably never made sense.

Even way up north, I'd rather have summer time all year. Having it get dark around 3:30 in the afternoon in the middle of winter is a drag.

That said, I've found there's a lot of resistance to the idea among parents. On standard time, it's light out when kids are on their way to school. On daylight time, it would be dark then.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by ianai » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:53 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #64

inetknght wrote: post #28

> In parts of Maine, for example, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, the sun sets before 4 p.m. — more than an hour earlier than it does in Detroit, at the other end of the Eastern time zone. Why is the solution "permanent daylight savings"? Why is it not "let's split up the timezones better"?

This problem is inherent to having timezones that are an hour long. You're stuck with it unless you are willing to add a bunch more timezones, e.g. have 7 going across the country in 30 minute increments. I think that might be worse than aberrant sunrise/sunset times at the edges of the existing hourlong timezones.

Which is where having one central clock would make sense. But it would have to be something based on like a standard physical quantity instead of morning/noon. I’m thinking like rotational speed of the planet.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by cheald » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:54 PM UTC

blang wrote: post #43

cheald wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arizona doesn't observe DST and hasn't since 1968. It works great, and the rest of the country should follow suit, IMO. We're no longer a nation of farmers whose work depends on daylight.

From what I understand farmers hate DST more than anyone. They tend to wake up at dawn and shifting the time an hour gives them an hour less time until the rest of the area wakes.

Interesting, good to know!

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by gpvos » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:55 PM UTC

RhodesianHunter wrote: post #3

taeric wrote: post #2

I'm torn on this. Yes, having a shift of a full hour in a week is obnoxious. However, the natural sun up and sun down time changes so dramatically in its own, that it is hard to really complain about it. If anything, I could see society moving to a time more based on when the sun comes up. Yes, there are difficulties scheduling something with someone across distance on the earth. But... I don't see a practical soluti…

Why not just have the hour shift slowly a few seconds per day over the course of the year?

Yes, let's just go back to solar time per city.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by mkempe » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:55 PM UTC

benrbray wrote: post #25

mkempe wrote: post #21

Big props to ending the madness of skipping 1h back and forth each year. However, what's wrong with tracking solar noon, so it's near 1200 instead of being near 1300? (if you argue you want more time with daylight after work, why not just set your work hours as 8-16, or even 7-15, instead of manipulating all other people's clocks).

Most people don't choose their working hours.

Do you think they could and/or should do so? what's stopping them from making that kind of choice where the hours of daylight after work are vitally important to them?

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by hamandcheese » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:55 PM UTC

theandrewbailey wrote: post #46

If I'm reading this correctly ("Daylight saving time shall be the year-round standard time of the entire state and all of its political subdivisions"), this is going to be terrible for people living in or near Pensacola. The far end of the panhandle is in Central time, so it's going to be an hour (or two) ahead of everyone else around them in the winter. https://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/current_time_in_florida...

The phrasing of the bill makes me think it would apply to the the Panhandle as well.

I’m not sure if that means bringing the entire state into one time zone or if that means that the Panhandle would just always observe CDT.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by walrus01 » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:55 PM UTC

tlrobinson wrote: post #71

Xeoncross wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I vote we do a half hour compromise. Please no, just stop

Fun fact, Nepal's timezone is UTC+5:45.

Afghanistan is +4:30 , which is different from both Iran and Pakistan

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by jonknee » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:55 PM UTC

tombert wrote: post #22

My parents live in Orlando...this is going to really confuse me when I call them from New York, which used to be the same time zone. Oh well, I think this is the right decision in the long run, I hope the rest of the states follow.

... Read the article, they aren't really changing anything (they don't have the power!).

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by velobro » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:55 PM UTC

nick238 wrote: post #29

This is reason #532 or so why we need gigantic libraries to deal with dates and times. "24 hours in a day", "60 seconds in a minute", lol, no.

Microsoft Outlook for Mac has yet another DST related bug.

This time, all calendar events will start an hour late on the week of the 11th if you a) have the week to start on Sunday and b) use the 7 day a week calendar

It's been fun having to communicate this with all my clients.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/office/en-US/a43...

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by function_seven » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:56 PM UTC

golangnews wrote: post #77

function_seven wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just go into work an hour early, and leave an hour early. Boss, clients, etc won't allow me to. > If it is a matter of coordination, have an official government statement that summer business hours adjust during x - z months. That's exactly^H^H^H^H effectively what DST is.

That’s exactly what DST is No, it’s not. Time zones and DST change clock time, this suggestion is to instead change the agreed times for work in a given place.

That seems like a distinction without a difference, though. If the government says, "Between x and y months, all work start and stop times will shift earlier by one hour", it has the same effect as moving the clock itself.

I should rephrase my comment: "That's effectively what DST is"