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YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by whatyoucantsay »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #115
wycs wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then company X gets rightfully trounced by a Chinese firm 5 years from now which does not share our ridiculous racial taboos. Some crimes are self policing.

No company ever got trounced because they followed the prevailing political winds. Let's face it: the top tech companies have sufficient applicants, so they can choose whoever they want, and most jobs are drone jobs.

> No company ever got trounced because they followed the prevailing political winds. Let's face it: the top tech companies have sufficient applicants

Many companies have been trounced by outsiders unconstrained by their political liabilities.

Let's face it: Ford, Chevy and Chrysler all had sufficient applicants, even as Toyota and Honda were building the processes and company cultures that would dethrone them.

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Post by oceanghost »

wutbrodo wrote: post #189
oceanghost wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the most ironic statement possible... as a white man, I once was told, "We're only hiring women and niggers."

Did this actually happen to you? Out of curiosity, in what time period and industry? I only ask because I imagine that even the most racist HR person in the world would know to show more discretion.

Yes, in the early 90s (I'm old), and it was the local AT&T office.

I've also been "discriminated" against for not being Native American (Casino Morongo in So Cal), and not being an Evangelical Christian (Cal Baptist University).

As it turns out-- those institutions are legally allowed to discriminate. It absolutely blew my mind being asked to "describe my relationship with jesus" in an interview.

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Post by toomanybeersies »

tmnvix wrote: post #145
ransom1538 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if you are 1/2 white and 1/2 Hispanic? Who is in charge determining race?

I imagine your surname would carry a lot of weight.

People have mistaken my Dutch last name for Mexican (I know Mexican is Spanish, but they said Mexican). I think I'm in luck.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by toomanybeersies »

bitL wrote: post #156
tmnvix wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine your surname would carry a lot of weight.

I know an Indian guy with a Spanish name. Not sure if he recently decided to be trans as well ;-) I guess YMMV.

Spanish or Portuguese?

There's a lot of Indian people with Portuguese surnames from around Goa, but I'd think that Spanish would be very uncommon, unless it's their first name.

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Post by cpt1138 »

Just wait until y'all get over 40. Then you'll see what discrimination feels like too. Ive had interviews where they wont even talk to me once they come in and get a look at me. They instantly say sorry were not looking anymore, sorry to waste your time. But the job stays up.

The problem really might be that no one has a good solution. Discrimination exists, no one has a clue what to do about it. These "affirmative-action" type solutions seem more like attempts to do something rather than nothing.

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Post by throwaway91503 »

ilamont wrote: post #15

Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims. Anyone from Google or YouTube--or people who applied to work at either org in this time frame--have perspectives to add regarding this claim?

Maybe. So after you complete on-site interviews you are reviewed by a hiring committee which goes over the scores in each stage of the process, and decide whether you should move on to project matching. Typically passing hiring committee means you've made it. However this wasn't the case for me in Spring 2017 where after on-sites they told me they would not extend an offer but could not explain why. Oddly, a year later I reapplied and got the job without any further technical interviews (but a recommendation might have factored into this). I found this pretty bizarre and hiring for diversity might be a plausible explanation considering I'm a white male, though what's inconsistent with the story is that they certainly didn't purge my application. They were hounding me with emails to reapply ever since they turned me down.

There are probably a lot of boring reasons this could've happened as well. It's probably boring.

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Post by EduardoBautista »

BigChiefSmokem wrote: post #147
Toast_25 wrote: post #103

This begs the question, what is Latino and what is white? I was born in a Latin American country to a Latin American mother and a Canadian father, have lived here my entire life but if you saw me you wouldn't even think I spoke Spanish. Likewise, I've made friends in the US who are of Mexican descent and look very much like it but don't speak a lick of Spanish. This has led me to feel not at home in either my country…

You are Generation 0 (Zero) like me. Your ancestral roots are anglo, hispanic, and native american by tradition.

Latin American does not mean they have Native American roots.

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Post by whatyoucantsay »

usaar333 wrote: post #183
whatyoucantsay wrote: post #165

The article mentions that there was a hiring freeze of white and Asian candidates and shows in a demographic breakdown that 56% of its employees are white. The US is 76.9% of the US "white alone" according to its Census data. The corresponding figure for California is 72.7%. It's interesting that YouTube (allegedly) made the decision to freeze hires of a racial group already underrepresented and that the text of the…

"white alone" includes Hispanic. You need to read "white alone, not Hispanic". Anyway, going by https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanmateocountyc... San Mateo County is: 40% white alone 29% Asian alone From that data alone, whites could actually be more over-represented than Asians. (I stress could because you need per-site info to conclude anything) Regardless, I don't see evidence that whites are underre…

San Mateo County is small enough to be distorted by the effects of the very kind of discriminatory hiring the article is about. Based upon the rapid downvoting, I'll work off the premise that I misread the statistics and ask for clarification:

Which group of people does the "76.9% of US population - White alone" statistic refer to?

The San Mateo numbers in the link you shared say:

    24.8% Hispanic or Latino
    39.8% White alone, not Hispanic
    61.4% White alone
Does this mean that the vast majority of Hispanics in the county are also in the "white alone" category?

This would be clearer if race were one category and "household language" were a completely separate one. :/

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Post by dhf17 »

I grew up in a somewhat cult like church environment. Speaking in tongues, adults laughing uncontrollably on the floor, people falling out after the laying on of hands. Although I respect Christianity and the values it teaches, looking back on my particular church environment, it seemed deep into lunacy territory. What's your point, you might be wondering...

The point is at the time it seemed completely normal. Sometimes when you get away long enough to clear your mind, you get to see the reality of the social hysteria that you had been consumed by. I experienced this a second time after not watching the news for a few years. Silicon valley, Hollywood, MSM, the 'left' in general, has gone so far bonkers their behavior is virtually comedic at this point. If you get a chance, turn off the news, the movies, twitter, facebook etc, and leave your bubble for a year or two. You'll be amazed at the clarity and freedom of thought that you will discover.

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Post by ignoramceisblis »

dhf17 wrote: post #199

I grew up in a somewhat cult like church environment. Speaking in tongues, adults laughing uncontrollably on the floor, people falling out after the laying on of hands. Although I respect Christianity and the values it teaches, looking back on my particular church environment, it seemed deep into lunacy territory. What's your point, you might be wondering... The point is at the time it seemed completely normal. Somet…

It's rare for internet denizens to hear a voice from the other side!

And it's a welcome reminder.

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