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YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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It sounds as though some recruiting leader was told to hit their goals for minority hiring percentages but wasn't given much oversight in how they did it. This sort of thing is often the result of such mismanagement.

Aren't the goals like that a mismanagement, to begin?

Either state officially, like "we do racial profiling of candidates", if you in fact do, or, well, don't if you don't.

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NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.

All good options.

But don't forget to represent people of different body types by weight and height as well.

As a very short, fat, and white dude who can't jump...but has a decent jumper, I still want my shot at Lebron James in the NBA.

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I’m not a lawyer, so I’m curious (and I can’t read the article): are quotas legal? Irrespective of their efficacy or morality, they must’ve held up in court, right? I thought it was fairly obvious that organizations have minority quotas. Then again, I also know that discrimination against ANY gender and ANY skin color (including male and white) is illegal, which was born out recently when Google’s decision to fire a rather opinionated individual who regularly derided straight, white men was upheld. Political beliefs are not a protected class, and you can absolutely be fired for them (although I think in this case the person was let go because railing against vast swaths of your coworkers is disruptive and rude, even if they’re “cishet white boys”).

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I suspect Google, YouTube, YC, and many other Silicon Valley companies have followed a similar pattern:

Step #1 Discriminate against the lower classes through a biased hiring process that favors upper class people over more qualified members of the 99%. A system of "culture" tests, nepotism, and simple favoritism. The "elite" investors fund the "elite" founders which hire "elite" friends.

Step #2 Realize your policy is classist and racist.

Step #3 Disregard the idea of creating a merit-based system.

Step #4 Commit explicit racism in an attempt to balance out your on-going racism.

Step #5 Ignore classism entirely, despite it being the root cause.

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Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims.

Anyone from Google or YouTube--or people who applied to work at either org in this time frame--have perspectives to add regarding this claim?

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post #10
post #4

NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.

I'm not sure that's an equivalent relation. I wasn't able to read the article, but NBA representation has a lot to do with skill and performance.

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post #4

NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.

That's a good point. There are many fields that are dominated by women or non-whites, yet there is virtually zero attention paid to those. Why is that?

What's the median salary for those positions?

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post #10
post #4

NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.

I'm not sure that's an equivalent relation. I wasn't able to read the article, but NBA representation has a lot to do with skill and performance.

So what?

You seem to be assuming that Black people simply have more skill and performance than others. You do this in Basketball but not in other areas.

Currently, hiring males for programming jobs is due to skill and performance, because far more men chose to go through this type of education than women. Huge numbers of men and women don't enjoy straining to grapple with abstract concepts for long stretches of time, sitting hunched over a keyboard, and so on. But, more men do than women, at the moment. So does that mean things are just fine the way they are, as your comment suggests about being Black and skill and performance?

Why not encourage, for instance, more Chinese basketball players to get scholarships, and increase their skill and performance? Why settle for how things are, which currently is not very diverse as anyone can plainly see?

China's basketball team has a lot of great Chinese players.

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The thing I hate about actions like this is what it does to talented people who fit some diversity quota checklist, both in the perception they have of themselves and those of other people. If you are a talented melanin-rich woman you are going to face both heightened impostor syndrome and dismissal by others that you only got the job because of some quota. Not good for anyone.

There are no easy solutions, but it would help I think if all effort was concentrated on removing hurdles rather than patching problems downstream with lazy fixes.

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post #6

Is this discrimination? Why or why not? Reminds me of this controversy from not too long ago: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30393117/ns/us_news-life/t/asian-a...

The law might apply differently to a public university than to a private company.
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