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YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by Caveman_Coder »

woofyman wrote: post #131
Caveman_Coder wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "So you being poor is justification enough to spread divisive comments and fuel further hatred (on either side)" This is over-dramatic... I'm just saying in today's world you can identify as whatever the hell you want, and nobody can question it apparently...so It might be a good strategy for white males to "identify" as the race/gender that seem to get additional points on their applications based on their race/ge…

>I'm just saying in today's world you can identify as whatever the hell you want That’s pretty flippant and insensitive to the struggles that trans people go through.

Is it false? You can identify as whatever the hell you like these days...that is a fact.

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Post by vondur »

wycs wrote: post #68
neerkumar wrote: post #8

Anyone who has worked for a large tech company in SF in the last 3/4 years knows that this has happened everywhere. In fairness, Google was one of the very last ones among large tech companies to play the quota game. But the problem is that that's a game that once the first company starts playing it, everyone else is forced to play it too. Company X publishes a report with amazing diversity numbers and brands itself…

Then company X gets rightfully trounced by a Chinese firm 5 years from now which does not share our ridiculous racial taboos. Some crimes are self policing.

Yes, this is how companies start to decline.

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Post by stcredzero »

wqnt wrote: post #101

I remember back in college when I applied for a job in a multi-national company, I didn't get a math screening quiz that applicants from outside of United States had to take. The quiz was pretty easy middle school math that would take 15 minutes to complete. It turns out that the reason is that screening for basic math competency could be discrimination, because it reduces the chance of hiring for minorities who do l…

It turns out that the reason is that screening for basic math competency could be discrimination, because it reduces the chance of hiring for minorities who do less well at math testing.

If it genuinely screens for basic math, then there's nothing racist about it.

artificially discriminate in the opposite direction and suppress valid criteria that are statistically unfavorable to minorities.

Eroding meritocracy is ultimately bad for everyone. It's through climbing meritocratic ladders that minority groups throughout history have raised their prospects.

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Post by [deleted] »

huckyaus wrote: post #129
ghostcluster wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe he was actually onto an unhealthy culture within the company, and trying to help it from the inside.

I agree that's possible, but I don't think it's reasonable to read this piece in a "post-Damore Google" context.

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Post by tmnvix »

ransom1538 wrote: post #127
ilamont wrote: post #15

Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims. Anyone from Google or YouTube--or people who applied to work at either org in this time frame--have perspectives to add regarding this claim?

What happens if you are 1/2 white and 1/2 Hispanic? Who is in charge determining race?

I imagine your surname would carry a lot of weight.

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Post by ransom1538 »

bitL wrote: post #140
ransom1538 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if you are 1/2 white and 1/2 Hispanic? Who is in charge determining race?

You specify your "race"/"gender" during application (or refuse to answer). It's up to you how you want to move forward I guess.

Then I wonder why poeple just don't lie? EG just put down: disabled autistic transgender native american. Everyone wins. Google gets to check a bunch of boxes and helps you jump to the top of the list. I doubt they would check your parents race and examine your privates.

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Post by BigChiefSmokem »

Toast_25 wrote: post #103

This begs the question, what is Latino and what is white? I was born in a Latin American country to a Latin American mother and a Canadian father, have lived here my entire life but if you saw me you wouldn't even think I spoke Spanish. Likewise, I've made friends in the US who are of Mexican descent and look very much like it but don't speak a lick of Spanish. This has led me to feel not at home in either my country…

You are Generation 0 (Zero) like me. Your ancestral roots are anglo, hispanic, and native american by tradition.

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Post by stcredzero »

huckyaus wrote: post #129
ghostcluster wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe he was actually onto an unhealthy culture within the company, and trying to help it from the inside.

I agree that's possible, but I don't think it's reasonable to read this piece in a "post-Damore Google" context.

As far as I can tell, they are still deeply infected by toxic ideologues who will witch-hunt anyone who openly disagrees with their politics. So many of my old classmates did this vehement un-personing of James Damore, even when they had no factual basis for what they were saying. Someday someone should write a play about it. In the meantime, there's "The Drumhead."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjJN08uqt70

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Post by Throwaway8762 »

danieltillett wrote: post #19

The thing I hate about actions like this is what it does to talented people who fit some diversity quota checklist, both in the perception they have of themselves and those of other people. If you are a talented melanin-rich woman you are going to face both heightened impostor syndrome and dismissal by others that you only got the job because of some quota. Not good for anyone. There are no easy solutions, but it wou…

> Not good for anyone.

Not good for employees but I don’t see how it’s bad for Google.

Unhappy people are less likely to reflect on things, and more likely to do what the boss tells them to. Which is what you want your employees to do when you attract them with nice “don’t be evil” slogan, and make them optimize an ad server for the market capitalization metric.

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Post by danieltillett »

ransom1538 wrote: post #146
bitL wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You specify your "race"/"gender" during application (or refuse to answer). It's up to you how you want to move forward I guess.

Then I wonder why poeple just don't lie? EG just put down: disabled autistic transgender native american. Everyone wins. Google gets to check a bunch of boxes and helps you jump to the top of the list. I doubt they would check your parents race and examine your privates.

I think you might find many do. What more surprises me is how few do.

The end result of all this sort of game playing is not going to be pretty.

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