Just a note to acknowledge that user IntronExon predicted stories and comments exactly like this being raised in reaction to the stories about endemic sexism that were briefly on the front page today. Now replaced by these tales of unfairness to men. You called, it, Intron.
YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says
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#92NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.
Do you really think there are young people in the US who could be NBA players but are held back by lack of resources, lack of training, and lack of friends/family members who play basketball? I think that's a key difference between the "diversity problem" in the NBA and the diversity problem (no scare quotes) in tech.
Yes. Jeremy Lin has spoken on multiple occasions of the discrimination he has encountered entering and during NBA, and god knows how many more Asian Americans are kept from a NBA career by these discrimination. (Hint, there are very few Asians in NBA).
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure! Except when left to our own devices to "look beyond the superficial traits of a person", we usually end up hiring people who remind us ourselves. There is a place for consciously paying attention to race, ethnicity, and gender in that case. (Admittedly, the alleged situation in the headline is too far.)
> Except when left to our own devices to "look beyond the superficial traits of a person", we usually end up hiring people who remind us ourselves. Speak for yourself. Also, like similarity goes beyond skin color. I have more in common with a programmer of any race than with a non-programmer of my own race. That being said furries are weird.
We're speaking to what a large body of research and hiring practices have borne out. It's a bad idea to assume you are immune from unconcious biases.
https://hbr.org/2017/08/what-the-science-actually-says-about...
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#94Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…
We already do live in that world. If you 'whiten up' your resume, you're more likely to get callbacks. Even if the company indicates that they're pro-diversity or equal-opportunity [1]. Employees with black-sounding names are in general less likely to receive callbacks even when accounting for economic status and skill level [2]. Depending on your name, you will be perceived as being more violent or lesser in status…
So what about making it name-blind?
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s plenty of interest in getting more men in nursing. http://blog.diversitynursing.com/blog/topic/male-nurse
There’s no attention in getting men teaching. Where 80% teachers are females. And we still wonder why boys ragequit school at unprecedented levels: There’s only 1 man left for 2 women at university now. And it keeps deflating. Could it be too much effort placed on getting women to succeed, and too much misandry from teachers? and men defending their side of equality systematically being accused of masculinism? No, me…
>There’s no attention in getting men teaching. Where 80% teachers are females.
That’s not true.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/22/male-teacher-...
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#96I disagree with this but I do selfishly wish I could get a "diversity" boost when applying. Too bad being LGBT is effectively invisible to recruiters.
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#97Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…
Have there been any experiments that stripped all identifying characteristics from resumes (gender, race, age) including things like name, graduation year, college, etc., and recorded the resulting hiring outcomes? A company as big as google could easily do something like sanitize resumes to ensure impartial hiring.
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#98I really hope that this marks a turning of the tides, because what has been going on in tech, as well as certain non-tech industries, in the name of "diversity," has been nothing short of abhorrent.
The doublespeak is inescapable. They claim to stand against racism and sexism, but will not hesitate to discriminate based on race or sex to meet some kind of nonsensical demographic parity targets which are absolutely not reflective of the actual qualifications of applicant pools.
Meanwhile, with the other hand, they claim that the existing industry leaders are in the wrong for supposedly doing just that, when merely conflating equality of opportunity with equality of outcome. How the hell do you seriously expect to achieve something like gender parity, for example, through hiring, in a competitive industry when incoming male graduates outnumber female graduates 10 to 1?
How can people be so disconnected from reality and blame biased hiring practices?
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
White != "upper class" Turns out you can be a poor white (like myself)...just an FYI.
So you being poor is justification enough to spread divisive comments and fuel further hatred (on either side)?
I don't think making light of a otherwise sad situation, is "fueling hatred". It's actually lightening the mood while pointing out room for improvement. Trying to stay positive is something we can all do, even when there are injustices.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure! Except when left to our own devices to "look beyond the superficial traits of a person", we usually end up hiring people who remind us ourselves. There is a place for consciously paying attention to race, ethnicity, and gender in that case. (Admittedly, the alleged situation in the headline is too far.)
> Except when left to our own devices to "look beyond the superficial traits of a person", we usually end up hiring people who remind us ourselves. Speak for yourself. Also, like similarity goes beyond skin color. I have more in common with a programmer of any race than with a non-programmer of my own race. That being said furries are weird.
Some biases are on the surface and you might be able to avoid them. Others are unconscious and without knowing it exist you can't avoid it.
Problem is people think they are not bias when they actually are!
Let's try something, for the next 10 person that you meet, try to come up with a reason of why you like or dislike them.
And those reasons are just coming justification for your feelings, and it is coming from your unconscious!