Ambulance chasing lawyers seem to have focused their efforts on large tech. Reminds of that joke "Why do robbers go after banks?". "That's where the money is". Wonder what the lawyer vs individual split is in these cases....most of them land up settling any way.
YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says
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#52NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.
>NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. False equivalency. How do we encourage short people to grow taller? Or kids to grow up into a tall adult? Coming to tech, it's possible to encourage people to work in STEM who otherwise may feel unwelcome due to various issues, including gender, age, race, workplace attitudes, glass ceilings etc. That includes trying to have role models that kids ma…
NBA players on average are 2 inches shorter than listed height because that includes shoes. IT is 5 foot 9 and potentially shorter. Half of the best players in the league are point guards with heights ranging from 6 feet to 6'3 again with shoes. Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Lillard, Chris Paul, Westbrook all fall under this. Average American Height is 5'10. 7 foot tall players have mostly struggled last 5 years so you don't have to encourage kids to grow taller to play in the league.
Asians and South Asians are vastly underrepresented in the Music, Entertainment, and Acting industries and Asian and South Asian women are vastly underrepresented in Fashion, Modeling, etc, industries. Sometimes freedom of choice results in outcomes that we shouldn't try to force but it's not white and black. In STEM, gender disparity results in many problems for females, in the other industries I mentioned it's significantly due to connections, glass ceiling, a certain type of "boys club" but also due to choice. I agree with role models, and removing barriers, but I highly highly disagree with excluding individuals based on their race. That is racist and I will oppose that to the core of my being
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#53Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…
Sure! Except when left to our own devices to "look beyond the superficial traits of a person", we usually end up hiring people who remind us ourselves.
There is a place for consciously paying attention to race, ethnicity, and gender in that case. (Admittedly, the alleged situation in the headline is too far.)
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#54Shouldn't the demographics of new google hires look roughly like the demographics of university graduates? If say 80% of graduates are men, how could google hit gender parity without discriminating?
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#55This doesn’t surprise me. I can’t speak to what it’s like to be a white man but for some reason Asians especially men are excluded as being part of what contributes to diversity despite being visible persons of colour.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a good point. There are many fields that are dominated by women or non-whites, yet there is virtually zero attention paid to those. Why is that?
There’s plenty of interest in getting more men in nursing. http://blog.diversitynursing.com/blog/topic/male-nurse
Does nursing do a lot of navel gazing about the reason why so few men are in nursing is because everyone currently in nursing is sexist?
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#57I’m not a lawyer, so I’m curious (and I can’t read the article): are quotas legal? Irrespective of their efficacy or morality, they must’ve held up in court, right? I thought it was fairly obvious that organizations have minority quotas. Then again, I also know that discrimination against ANY gender and ANY skin color (including male and white) is illegal, which was born out recently when Google’s decision to fire a…
I'm not a lawyer either. But I remember that explicit racial quota are illegal.But in another precedence, diversity is considered a valid objective. So having preference that favor minority for the sake of diversity is OK. That is the case for a lot of hiring and admission processes now: No explicit quota, but a soft preference towards diversity, which usually means favoring under-represented racial and gender groups.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? We already do, through systemic biases. Sadly, as the downvotes indicate, reminding people of their privilege seems to be an unpopular thing.
Is it a systemic bias that men choose to study CS and Engineering majors and make up 80% of graduates and the talent pool? Should we discriminate against them for this reason?
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#59NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.
Do you really think there are young people in the US who could be NBA players but are held back by lack of resources, lack of training, and lack of friends/family members who play basketball? I think that's a key difference between the "diversity problem" in the NBA and the diversity problem (no scare quotes) in tech.
Diversity quotas are making this situation actively worse by giving a bad image to those who pass. In German there‘s even a compound slur word for one such cases, „Quotenfrau“ (quota woman). These kind of outcomes were once unforeseen but are very easily to foresee now after lots of experience with that kind of thing. I firmly believe that as a society we should try to make people of all shapes be interested in the most productive and needed professions, but the pushing and pulling should end there. If you want equal, just go ahead and install actual communism, I actually might be on board with thst more, at least with modern technology it should be doable such that people can all live well enough.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a good point. There are many fields that are dominated by women or non-whites, yet there is virtually zero attention paid to those. Why is that?
What's the median salary for those positions?
Registered nurses: 90% women, median $68k
Nurse Practitioners: 92% women, median $107k
Veterinarians: 83% women, median $88k
All data from BLS.