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California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by taborj »

Dowwie wrote: post #44

Portland Uber drivers complained about this phenomenon when I visited a while ago. Bay area transplants were buying into Portland through new high rise developments that locals detest.

This has been the attitude for years in Oregon. It's not just in the cities through new high rise developments; in the rural areas, they buy out the properties for cash -- generally above asking price -- which jacks up the prices out of reach for the locals.

Frankly, it happens everywhere that the cost of living is lower.

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Post by anthonyleecook »

krausejj wrote: post #50
pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

a solution is on the table— sb-827. please research it. californians (and i am one too) need to stop complaining and start fixing things. this bill fixes things. it needs our attention and support. UPDATE: sb-827 prevents local governments in california from banning density near public transit. it represents the most radical housing bill in recent california history, because it rebalances control from hyperlocal muni…

interesting!! will take a deeper look

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Post by davidw »

krausejj wrote: post #15

this is related to an article i just submitted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16478780 it costs too much to live here because of zoning. zoning is largely driven by local governments, dominated by homeowners who benefit when prices rise. but california might fix it with sb-827, which would prevent local governments from banning density near transit hubs. california builds https://standupcalifornia.com (this is…

It'd help fix it, but California's dug itself into such a deep hole that it'll take a while to fix it even with good measures like that one.

The statistic that always amazes me is how Tokyo built more housing than the entire state of California in 2014.

https://www.vox.com/2016/8/8/12390048/san-francisco-housing-...

If you (as in the generic you, not the comment I'm responding to) live in CA, and care about this stuff, you should get involved with the YIMBY folks there. They're doing great work, and achieving real results.

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Post by lambda »

mehrdadn wrote: post #37
pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

> but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression I think this might need a rewording to convey whatever idea you were trying to convey, because I have a hunch there weren't many millennials around during the Great Depression. :-)

I think it's fairly clear that they mean "the birth rate for people in the 20-35 age range, which happens to coincide with the millenials at the moment."

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Post by drdeadringer »

meddlepal wrote: post #46

I'm sure there is a $$$ number that would convince me to move to California, but I'm not sure there are many companies willing to pay it and I would be super worried the entire time I was there about possible unemployment. I feel like there is going to be a blood bath in the Bay Area if we're actually in a bubble and it bursts. The next five to ten years should be an interesting ride.

Let's say we're in a bubble and it bursts. How would it be different from The Great Recession?

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Post by ddlatham »

pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

It seems like this is now the middle class experiencing the same pain that gentrification inflicts on the lower class as the cost of housing continues to climb.

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Post by [deleted] »

djschnei wrote: post #68
staunch wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how this works. You're not a "native Texan" but one of millions of American citizens born in the state of Texas. Texas is no more yours than any other citizen's. There are no second class citizens in the US. If you move to New York, you become a New Yorker. If you move to Texas, you become a Texan. Just like your parents or grandparents did. This is one reason America society is great. You have no right to…

They were talking about fiscal policy. I.e "don't leave California, then push for the same policies here". But of course, you already knew that.

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Post by vannevar »

ProAm wrote: post #56
pcwalton wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data's pretty mixed on that. For outflow states: Texas (#1): Solid R Arizona (#2): R Nevada (#3): Lean D Oregon, Washington (#4, #5): Solid D Colorado (#6): D Utah, Idaho, Oklahoma (#7, #8, #9): Solid R Georgia (#10): R That's 6 R, 4 D.

Colorado is a very conservative democratic state.

It might be more accurate to say that Colorado is a very libertarian democratic state.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

commandlinefan wrote: post #26
randyrand wrote: post #9

Democratic states moving into California and Californians mostly leaving for conservative states. Interesting. There are multiple ways to interpret though.

Now imagine if California reverses course and enacts conservative-friendly policies - and turns into a red state.

It wasn't a very long time ago that California was red. You don't have to imagine. It was only after Pete Wilson decided to crackdown on latinos that the state shifted into solid D.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

gumby wrote: post #65
commandlinefan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now imagine if California reverses course and enacts conservative-friendly policies - and turns into a red state.

By and large califirnia is a red state: outside the major urban areas the state is mostly quote red; some urban areas (e.g. Orange county) are also quite red and those populations send conservatives to congress. But because the majority of the population do live in major urban areas you see the state legislature about 70/30 D/R and the statewide offices tend to go to the majority as well. But within recent memory the…

That is true of the entire US: rural areas are mostly red, urban areas are mostly blue.
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