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California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by kumarm »

pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

[California has been experiencing a years-long downward trend that likely stems from the recession, a drop in teenage pregnancies and an increase in people attending college and taking longer to graduate, therefore putting off having children, said Walter Schwarm, a demographer at the Department of Finance. When people do complete their schooling, they're interested in taking some time to pursue their careers or other goals, he said.]

Except recession everything else that is contributing to lower birth rate seems side effect of progress.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by anthonyleecook »

It's no wonder that high-earning individuals are moving into California. A few numbers I ran across on the web:

- Bay Area economy is growing 3X (!!!) faster than average in US.

- Santa Clara region has an income average of $98,000, top 5 amonst the nation

- Average salary for Software Engineers for San Francisco is $210,000

This of course doesn't bode well for mid to lower income citizens, who now have to move out as far as antioch or stockton to afford a home. Bad for a family of 4, still doable for singles that can room with roommates near work. We really do need to have more housing in regions that are underdeveloped and soon will be served by the BART extension, google's building foray in downtown san jose, buildout in the caltrain stops between Redwood City and South San Francisco, etc.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by Hextinium »

antimatter wrote: post #17
Casseres wrote: post #14

Native Texan here. I and many other Texans I know welcome newcomers with open arms. We all just have one message though: Please do not turn Texas into the places y'all are leaving. There's a reason y'all are leaving after all. EDIT: Newcomers: We generally don't care what anyone does or thinks, we only care when people try to force us to conform to their beliefs, including what to do with our money, eg) raising taxes…

This is my fear as well. As a Californian who's looking to move to Texas at some point in the future, I really hope the people leaving aren't taking "California values" to Texas with them.

As someone from Dallas here, the people from California that move here never fully adapt but they do conform to Texas after a year or two. That being said there are places that are much more "California like" than Texan like popping up on occasion.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by kec »

kenhwang wrote: post #24
logfromblammo wrote: post #8

A cursory read of the graphics indicates that people with graduate degrees and higher-paying jobs are forcing the people with less money and less education out, and they are moving to states with lower costs of living.

I'm not convinced this is a bad thing. What's wrong with having a higher educated, higher income populace?

someone still has to mop the floors.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by meddlepal »

I'm sure there is a $$$ number that would convince me to move to California, but I'm not sure there are many companies willing to pay it and I would be super worried the entire time I was there about possible unemployment.

I feel like there is going to be a blood bath in the Bay Area if we're actually in a bubble and it bursts. The next five to ten years should be an interesting ride.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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anthonyleecook wrote: post #42

It's no wonder that high-earning individuals are moving into California. A few numbers I ran across on the web: - Bay Area economy is growing 3X (!!!) faster than average in US. - Santa Clara region has an income average of $98,000, top 5 amonst the nation - Average salary for Software Engineers for San Francisco is $210,000 This of course doesn't bode well for mid to lower income citizens, who now have to move out a…

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Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by tachyoff »

Casseres wrote: post #6
irrational wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oregon sucks. Don't move here, I mean there. But, Texas is very nice.

Texan here. We welcome y'all with open arms, just please don't turn Texas into the places that you left.

That depends on how you figure. Do you mean socially? Legally? Business-wise? There are a lot of complex forces at play to make Silicon Valley the way it is (including history). I don’t think it’s fair to tell any group not to “make” some city like their previous one. Furthermore, one nice thing about the American melting pot is everyone gets a voice. If enough people move to Texas and change its culture, that’s just something you have to deal with (or move, I suppose).

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by IronWolve »

Casseres wrote: post #14

Native Texan here. I and many other Texans I know welcome newcomers with open arms. We all just have one message though: Please do not turn Texas into the places y'all are leaving. There's a reason y'all are leaving after all. EDIT: Newcomers: We generally don't care what anyone does or thinks, we only care when people try to force us to conform to their beliefs, including what to do with our money, eg) raising taxes…

On the east side of Washington in Spokane, the houses are going up due to the influx of Californians. Average price was around 120k, now you can see houses in the 300k for entry level with basic kitchens.

Also, lots of modern brew pubs are popping up that easily charge Seattle prices for food and beer. (Way too expensive for locals)

Had a co-worker who's family moved up from California and bought a 600k house on 10 acres. The price per acre has been going up like crazy, use to be 2-3K per acre in the rural areas,its upto 10K+ now, even 20K, for forest land in the sticks, when 5 acre lots going for 100k, thats nuts, no well or power...

Crazy, since the local wages don't even support those price.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by krausejj »

pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

a solution is on the table— sb-827. please research it. californians (and i am one too) need to stop complaining and start fixing things. this bill fixes things. it needs our attention and support.

UPDATE: sb-827 prevents local governments in california from banning density near public transit. it represents the most radical housing bill in recent california history, because it rebalances control from hyperlocal municipalities to the state level. it could unlock 3m housing units in a state building <100k a year. that's 30 years of pent-up supply, and it could actually affect market prices.

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