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California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#61

Seattle is full and the weather is dreadful. It rains 364 days a year and the other day of the year is full of smoke from forest fires. Please consider Portland instead.

Seattle has plenty of room, and the weather is beautiful during the spring and summer. We had one smoky period last year due to a freak fire in BC. It's a great place to raise a family, and make a killing in tech.

(I'm not currently selling real estate.)

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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A cursory read of the graphics indicates that people with graduate degrees and higher-paying jobs are forcing the people with less money and less education out, and they are moving to states with lower costs of living.

I'm not convinced this is a bad thing. What's wrong with having a higher educated, higher income populace?

Nothing, assuming local policy and large corporations don’t price lower-income earners out of their homes/apartments.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#63

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

> but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression I think this might need a rewording to convey whatever idea you were trying to convey, because I have a hunch there weren't many millennials around during the Great Depression. :-)

And the birth rate for Millennials has been zero for pretty much all of history, except for a short blip on the late 20th Century. And that's not an effect limited to CA.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Democratic states moving into California and Californians mostly leaving for conservative states. Interesting. There are multiple ways to interpret though.

Most other "blue" states suffer from the same problem as California: massive wealth concentration and the subsequent sky-high rents and real estate prices.

I know when I was seriously considering relocating, the politics of the region wasn't a consideration. I was far more concerned about availability of jobs (and cost of living relative to what I could earn). If I were in SF and couldn't get a job at Big Tech, I'd be looking to move to a red state. Not for political reasons, just because it's better to be a median dev in a flyover state than a bottom quartile dev in SF/Seattle/NYC/etc.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#65

Democratic states moving into California and Californians mostly leaving for conservative states. Interesting. There are multiple ways to interpret though.

Now imagine if California reverses course and enacts conservative-friendly policies - and turns into a red state.

By and large califirnia is a red state: outside the major urban areas the state is mostly quote red; some urban areas (e.g. Orange county) are also quite red and those populations send conservatives to congress.

But because the majority of the population do live in major urban areas you see the state legislature about 70/30 D/R and the statewide offices tend to go to the majority as well.

But within recent memory there have been several republican governors, two of whom (nixon and regan) became US presidents.

So though I don't see much chance of the state tipping "red" any time soon it's not an utterly outlandish idea.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#67

this is related to an article i just submitted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16478780 it costs too much to live here because of zoning. zoning is largely driven by local governments, dominated by homeowners who benefit when prices rise. but california might fix it with sb-827, which would prevent local governments from banning density near transit hubs. california builds https://standupcalifornia.com (this is…

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Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Native Texan here. I and many other Texans I know welcome newcomers with open arms. We all just have one message though: Please do not turn Texas into the places y'all are leaving. There's a reason y'all are leaving after all. EDIT: Newcomers: We generally don't care what anyone does or thinks, we only care when people try to force us to conform to their beliefs, including what to do with our money, eg) raising taxes…

That's not how this works. You're not a "native Texan" but one of millions of American citizens born in the state of Texas. Texas is no more yours than any other citizen's. There are no second class citizens in the US. If you move to New York, you become a New Yorker. If you move to Texas, you become a Texan. Just like your parents or grandparents did. This is one reason America society is great. You have no right to…

They were talking about fiscal policy. I.e "don't leave California, then push for the same policies here". But of course, you already knew that.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#69

A cursory read of the graphics indicates that people with graduate degrees and higher-paying jobs are forcing the people with less money and less education out, and they are moving to states with lower costs of living.

I'm not convinced this is a bad thing. What's wrong with having a higher educated, higher income populace?

Less people to do things involving less educated labor (flipping burgers, building houses, delivering packages, etc) will increase prices. That higher income will be meaningless.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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post #54

It's no wonder that high-earning individuals are moving into California. A few numbers I ran across on the web: - Bay Area economy is growing 3X (!!!) faster than average in US. - Santa Clara region has an income average of $98,000, top 5 amonst the nation - Average salary for Software Engineers for San Francisco is $210,000 This of course doesn't bode well for mid to lower income citizens, who now have to move out a…

> - Average salary for Software Engineers for San Francisco is $210,000 Curious where you got that? I looked at the Hired salary info yesterday, and it was far shy of that.

I saw it here: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-starting-salary-fo...

On second thought, this might not be accurate as there's no direct references.

Indeed says senior software engineers is around $187,000 https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Computer+Programmer-Salaries...

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