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Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by Valmar »

rayiner wrote: post #18
thoaway1 wrote: post #13

If more and more groups insist on forcing their ideological agenda down the throats of contributors and users maybe it's time to start hacking on projects that don't feel the need to bring politics into software.

This is the exact opposite: It's rules for how to work on code without bringing personal crap into it. Do you want a date? Do you think there is something wrong with trans people? Do you have thoughts on race relations? Nobody cares, check that baggage at the door.

> It's rules for how to work on code without bringing personal crap into it.

The previous CoC did fine at this.

This new CoC almost ensures that what it's attempting to curb will inevitably happen, because of it's existence.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by gkya »

lolikoisuru wrote: post #107
gkya wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The following is from the very top of a random file in the removed set I clicked: A bad little girl in Madrid, A most reprehensible kid, Told her Tante Louise That her cunt smelled like cheese, And the worst of it was that it did! Wat!? Good riddance.

Do you seriously not know what `fortune` is?

Why am I supposed to know it? For the matter I do know it, but nobody needs their computer tell them jokes, especially tasteless ones like this.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by skookumchuck »

andrepd wrote: post #120
skookumchuck wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But unwritten rules fail for people on the margins, and falls apart at scale. How ever did society survive before written CoC's?

Badly. I for one am glad Bronze Age people had the brilliant idea to write down their laws, as I'm glad Romans and Byzantines decided to spread their legal system around.

I suspect we're the first to attempt to codify rude behavior.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by akerro »

soyiuz wrote: post #73

I am always surprised at the backlash against such codes of conduct. One can point to numerous cases of harassment, abuse, and inequality in the tech community. Who is harmed by a stronger CoC? Let's discuss an example where CoC led to a negative outcome for some group.

FreeBSD (and OpenBSD) has a lot of problems right now, and rewriting CoC makes me think they put effort into completely wrong places.

Hey FreeBSD (and OpenBSD) developers have you patched spectre and meltdown already? Have you fixed your communication issues with security researchers who stopped notifying you of serious bugs? No? Oh I would hug you to cheer you up, but it's now allowed now.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by akerro »

soyiuz wrote: post #106
malvosenior wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is what I mean by dragging politics into an open source project where it doesn't belong. > When "killing all men" type of behavior becomes problematic you will have a point. Every time someone "ironically" tweets this, it's a problem. I've yet to see a CoC used effectively to stop it.

Consider that from your point of view the open source project is free from politics and the anti-harassment policy is "dragging politics into it." But from the point of view of someone who has experienced harassment, politics were indeed an issue. The inconvenience to you is minor. You now have to spend an extra moment to consider another point of view. The inconvenience to your aggrieved peer was major. They were ac…

>You now have to spend an extra moment to consider another point of view.

Stop right here to consider every other possible point of view.

>Because men have not been historically a target of oppression

In some cultures it's men who were hunted for witchcraft and men were burnt alive or drawn. You just offended them. Also in our culture men go to war, men die and fight wars. That's pretty quite oppressing that politicians have no problem sacrificing men. Consider that point of view.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by voidr »

soyiuz wrote: post #73

I am always surprised at the backlash against such codes of conduct. One can point to numerous cases of harassment, abuse, and inequality in the tech community. Who is harmed by a stronger CoC? Let's discuss an example where CoC led to a negative outcome for some group.

Some of us don't want to be part of a community that ejects you for writing: "hug"

Some of us just want to keep politics out of tech.

We are probably the weirdos I guess.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by youdontknowtho »

youdontknowtho wrote: post #81
pvg wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I note that HN's moderating guidelines do not mention sex, gender, religion, food choices, or most of what FreeBSD's new CoC describes. You might also note that HN regularly fills up with pages upon pages of sexist (more rarely, racist) tripe. Which might be ok for HN but the people who participate in the FreeBSD project have decided it's not ok for their thing.

yeah, ive been wondering if it was just me or if comments were starting to seem more reactionary?

I guess that would mean yes...
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