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A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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How about be more open and acknowledge problems sooner? While Apple always eventually gets to the right response, they can sometimes take too long to do so. In the case of these iPhone batteries, I think Apple's response was relatively timely. But there have been cases where well known problems took over a year to acknowledge and remedy (like the early 2011 15" Macbook Pro GPU problems).

This story broke less than 2 weeks ago. So 10 business days (minus holidays) to put together a corporate response that affects hundreds of millions of devices seems pretty damn quick.

The story was relevant in July, when they released the 10.2 update. They should have had something in place before they released that update.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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The rigt thing would have been a model recall changing the battery with something that has enough voltage margin to keep the cpu running after the usual degradation for at least the 500 cycles it’s rated for This is an engineering issue on evaluating margins properly repackaged as “we’re improving battery life” to hide stability issue caused by bad assumptions on cpu stability across voltage ranges.

3.3 years on the iPhone 6 charging it once a day is 1000 cycles, well above 500..

Cycles are floats, not integers. It's only a full cycle if the battery is discharged very deeply.

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_li...

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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post #82

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Slowing down the CPU is a better experience than your phone shutting off or battery lasting half a day...

I’m not sure why you got down voted. This is a completely valid opinion and comment.

Not necessarily, I'd rather have my phone die at 40% or something, at least I can investigate then, and replace my battery. In the other hand, throttling my system and hiding it from me...

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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I don't think it's a completely manufactured scandal, although most of the reporting was deceptive (as is, I'm starting to suspect, most reporting, full stop). I think the non-manufactured part of the scandal is having your phone throttle itself w/o telling you it's doing that is pretty annoying. You're left wondering, is my phone running slower or is my mind playing tricks on me? I think Apple's response here is gre…

> (as is, I'm starting to suspect, most reporting, full stop). Don't hate on all journalism (or anything, really) just because of some bad apples. Even if it were true (which it isn't), it takes away all motivation for people in that industry to do the right thing. Why bother spending time on well-researched reporting, if all you get back is "fake news" or "all journalists are corrupt and produce clickbait"-hate on T…

that's the thing, incentives are all wrong in general for media to be accurate.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Under the old software, where the phone would randomly turn off on you, what do you think they would’ve done? Probably the same thing. Buy a new phone.

I think the argument is that one would notice that the battery drains very quickly, and starts shutting off at a certain percent. Then they could know the battery is a problem, and pay $79 to get that replaced, instead of upgrading.

That's not how it works. The phone crashes when the CPU load spikes higher than the degraded battery can support.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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This isn't the first time this has happened to Apple. They use to not sell replacement batteries for the original iPods, and when people called in to complain, they were often told to buy an entire new iPod. This was settled in a lawsuit: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/apples-ip... Another important note is this battery replacement cost only cover the iPhone6 and up. That's only the 2015 release.…

Agreed. It’s also a waste of human labor to throw away devices when they could still be made useful with some simple repairs. To go further, it is wasteful to design hardware to be disposable rather than repairable and reusable. People with jobs I wouldn’t want to do work very hard to bring us these devices, and the earth gives up resources to mine, transport, and shape the materials. Throwing things away when they c…

> Such a project is now underway (Alpine linux for Mobile)

Check out PostmarketOS. It's made a lot headway into attempting to create a single, semi-universal image that can be used on multiple devices.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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The batteries are not free. How about a user replaceable battery design?

The battery is user replaceable. If a minimum wage earner in the mall can do it with a few basic tools it isn’t that difficult.

If replacing the battery voids the warranty, that doesn't count as 'user replaceable' in my book.

If the phone is under warranty, why wouldn't you take it to Apple and let them replace it for free?

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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> Apple is reducing the price of an out-of-warranty iPhone battery replacement by $50 — from $79 to $29... > Early in 2018, we will issue an iOS software update with new features that give users more visibility into the health of their iPhone’s battery, so they can see for themselves if its condition is affecting performance. There we go. It took too much trouble and too long for it to happen, but Apple is stepping u…

This isn't the first time this has happened to Apple. They use to not sell replacement batteries for the original iPods, and when people called in to complain, they were often told to buy an entire new iPod. This was settled in a lawsuit: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/apples-ip... Another important note is this battery replacement cost only cover the iPhone6 and up. That's only the 2015 release.…

You act as if there is no method to replace batteries for the previous generations of iPhone.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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There is an obvious third option: replacing your battery with a new one instead of playing this planned obsolescence game.

There is no "planned obsolescence game". Just stop.

The last time I checked I couldn't change the battery of my mobile phone and tablet.
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