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Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by r00fus »

dublidu wrote: post #130
inertial wrote: post #36

Genuinely curious : What's a good alternative to setting a population limit per city ? Having lived in cities that are crumbling under poor infrastructure, unchecked growth, excessive pollution (from vehicles, stuck in endless traffic jams), shortage of water/electricity, I wonder what can be done to fix this. Everyone from across the country wants to migrate to a few big cities that provide good employment. We shoul…

Moving government jobs out of these mega cities. This is mentioned in the article as something Beijing planned to do. US should also move some jobs out of DC and into a cheaper area that needs a job boost.

Moving government jobs = moving the lobbyist coterie that would move with them?

Or would those stay in DC as the power in politics remains?

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Post by agoodthrowaway »

sampo wrote: post #205
kkarakk wrote: post #174

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i understand being upset at being included in a standard that is by any definition upsetting but just because the value increases doesn't mean it's not a slum fyi there are places in mumbai too w/ astonishing market values and disgusting living conditions

> there are places in mumbai too w/ astonishing market values and disgusting living conditions Also in San Francisco

We have bad conditions for sure in San Francisco and poverty elsewhere in the US that all Americans should be ashamed of. Frankly the state of poverty in America is unacceptable. But the poverty we have is nowhere near the scale and absolute horror of Mumbai slums. I've traveled extensively through South America and seen horrific conditions there but nothing was as shocking as Mumbai slums.

I find posts like yours are misguided and demonstrate total ignorance regarding human suffering.

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Post by coldtea »

agoodthrowaway wrote: post #213
sampo wrote: post #205

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> there are places in mumbai too w/ astonishing market values and disgusting living conditions Also in San Francisco

We have bad conditions for sure in San Francisco and poverty elsewhere in the US that all Americans should be ashamed of. Frankly the state of poverty in America is unacceptable. But the poverty we have is nowhere near the scale and absolute horror of Mumbai slums. I've traveled extensively through South America and seen horrific conditions there but nothing was as shocking as Mumbai slums. I find posts like yours ar…

That's because Mumbai slums are not just slums, but come with the whole racist ideology (low caste, etc).

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Post by rqs »

Eliezer wrote: post #147
rqs wrote: post #125

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Sorry for off-topic, this branch is gone out of hand. OK, No, instead, I'm teaching you how to preform an argument so other people can understand you well, rather than get yourself a brunch of down votes and nobody believes what you said. It's very clear to me, most Chinese people didn't receive any proper training on how to make an argument that could yield good results. Everybody in the end is just ranting to each…

Most American people don't receive training on how to make valid arguments either. Maybe Israel...

American people do more or less received it.

Ever been given an assignment that requires you dig through a whole library to prove a point? Or having to conclude a book all by yourself? There are lot's of critical thinking and reasoning involved there, because if you don't do that ahead of time, other people may criticize you and it's embarrassing. So, you actually received some of the training by doing those things.

In China, the text book often concluded most of the things for student, so you end up just copying content from the book into your submission. And teachers will verify your submission by check whether or not you included the right content.

Because of that, people lost many of chance to exercise their abilities of forming a sophisticated opinion.

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Post by baybal2 »

baybal2 wrote: post #170
capsulehotel wrote: post #164

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Idk where you have been but in second tier cities I have seen public toilets as well. Maybe not on the outskirts but in central areas for sure.

Good for them! They advance leg in leg with big cities. What those towns were?

As I know, the story with pristinely clean public toilets in Shanghai is such. Once upon a time Jiang came to SH with an official visit and was misfortuned to have to use one of the very few public toilets. Once he went there, something horrid allegedly happened.

Since then, Shanghai got reputation for well kept public toilets and them being supervised by the ministry of interior

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Post by PakG1 »

sammyjiang wrote: post #144
PakG1 wrote: post #106

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I get the feeling that you might not understand why you're being downvoted. There's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. But on Hacker News especially, it is important to contribute to and elevate the discussion. After you post your comment, people should learn something from it. If people do, they appreciate your thoughts, and upvote you, especially if your thoughts are very insightful. If you don't contribut…

did you see the author provide any evidence? the author say something you'd like to hear then you instinctively think it's logic. if you have known how ridiculous it is to compare hutong with indian slum by the author, you will know nearly all of what he said is bullshit. (see on my explaination on another reply to him)

Looking at his comment, I believe he relied on his experience living in both India and Beijing to make his statement. He also did not say that Beijing hutongs were the same as Indian slums. He said "to a lesser extent" and "slum-like". He also said he wasn't trying to be judgmental. He also qualified his statements by saying that it was a while ago, so his information may be out of date.

Having lived in Beijing myself in 2014, most hutongs are not comparable to Indian slums; some might be. But there are definitely problematic housing situations for migrant workers, even now. Many live in dangerous conditions, if not slum-like conditions, though some would consider these to be slums (certainly, many would agree that these properties are run by slumlords). At this point, we are quibbling about the meanings of words, when we should really be focused on whether people can live healthy, safe, and productive lives on their current salaries.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2098843/tales...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/underground-basement-ap...

https://www.npr.org/2014/12/07/368760646/a-universe-beneath-...

the author say something you'd like to hear then you instinctively think it's logic. Given that this is a complaint I have about many people, it is an interesting feeling to have someone else have this complaint about me.

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Post by gaadd33 »

sammyjiang wrote: post #141
volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

I wonder how many days have ever stay in beijing? As one grew up in Beijing and lived for 26 years, I can definitely say that comparing Hutong to Indian slum is really really ignorant. You can ask anyone in Beijing, they will tell you that many people live in Hutong is one group of the richest people in Beijing. Nearly all people live in Hutong are Beijing natives, and their houses inside the hutong are called "sihey…

Did China get rid of the hukou system? Otherwise wouldn't people still need documents to go and stay in their capital?

You should update the wikipedia page if it's been repealed everywhere, the current page just says that small cities have had restrictions abolished but large cities are still under tight control.

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Post by goldenkey »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #77
whooshee wrote: post #17

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Very interesting, I've never heard anyone in China have their organ stolen by smoking weeds or taking drugs. China may execute drug dealers but not drug users.

Organ harvesting of condemned prisoners continues although China has promised to to stop it multiple times. It’s why china has some of the quickest turn around times for organ transplants even though it has one of the lowest voluntary donation rates.

Thank you for shedding light on this. Amazing how we are being downvoted for speaking the truth. I thought HN was illuminated?

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Post by mstaoru »

gaadd33 wrote: post #218
sammyjiang wrote: post #141

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I wonder how many days have ever stay in beijing? As one grew up in Beijing and lived for 26 years, I can definitely say that comparing Hutong to Indian slum is really really ignorant. You can ask anyone in Beijing, they will tell you that many people live in Hutong is one group of the richest people in Beijing. Nearly all people live in Hutong are Beijing natives, and their houses inside the hutong are called "sihey…

Did China get rid of the hukou system? Otherwise wouldn't people still need documents to go and stay in their capital? You should update the wikipedia page if it's been repealed everywhere, the current page just says that small cities have had restrictions abolished but large cities are still under tight control.

Most foreign people tend to overestimate the impact of hukou on normal daily life. You don't need it for anything, except things like getting your kids into free public school. You can totally go to another city, find a job, rent a room and work, save money, get a mortgage, buy an apartment, marry, have kids, put them in a paid public school and generally live your life.
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