The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…
Shanghai sets population at 25M
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Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume you're an another Chinese. If you are, I recommend you to provide more information in your comment before posting. For example, why it's unfair to compare India with China? You need to provide a reasonable ... will ... reason. Not everyone here knows what is it like to actually live in China, so it's fairly reasonable for people to be ignorance about it. Don't be offended or attack other people because of th…
I assume you are a typical so-called westerner. I just expressed my own opinion here, and according to my knowledge and experience, his statement is definitely wrong. This is not an essay, I have no time to write too much. If you want to know more, you should explore it by yourself. Serpentza? I watched most of his videos, and found he is just a hypocritical racist. You see, he never communicate with the locals, and…
p.s.I agree with your view on Serpentza.
Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M
#123The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…
You mention illegal immigration, this is why illegal immigration is bad. It's essentially a flood of people that cannot be supported by the system. Floods are never good, the goal in population transfer should almost always be gradual movements.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not true, China does not want to move people into major cities, that's why they have the "Hukou" system, which is a residency registration. What they want is urbanization of the less developed areas, many of which were farmlands from before.
> What they want is urbanization of the less developed areas Everybody wants that. Can't remember that any country ever got it, in the last century, anyway. That's akin to wanting water to roll uphill. Argentine will prefer its population to not clutter around Buenos Aires. France will prefer everybody not move to Paris, same for Russia with Moscow. But that's just not what is happening anywhere. If you're moving to…
On top of that, people were not allowed to freely move. You couldn't just move to a city, rent apartment and look for a job. For people in countryside, university and assignment after it was pretty much the only way to move to a city. University courses were highly limited though and far from everybody could get in.
Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume you're an another Chinese. If you are, I recommend you to provide more information in your comment before posting. For example, why it's unfair to compare India with China? You need to provide a reasonable ... will ... reason. Not everyone here knows what is it like to actually live in China, so it's fairly reasonable for people to be ignorance about it. Don't be offended or attack other people because of th…
I assume you are a typical so-called westerner. I just expressed my own opinion here, and according to my knowledge and experience, his statement is definitely wrong. This is not an essay, I have no time to write too much. If you want to know more, you should explore it by yourself. Serpentza? I watched most of his videos, and found he is just a hypocritical racist. You see, he never communicate with the locals, and…
OK, No, instead, I'm teaching you how to preform an argument so other people can understand you well, rather than get yourself a brunch of down votes and nobody believes what you said.
It's very clear to me, most Chinese people didn't receive any proper training on how to make an argument that could yield good results. Everybody in the end is just ranting to each other without generating or putting out valuable information.
Unfortunately, you are among those who don't know how. For example, from your comment I quote:
> I assume you are a typical so-called westerner.
> Serpentza? I watched most of his videos, and found he is just a hypocritical racist ... he never communicate with the locals, and just live in his own circles ...
First of all, I consider myself Rational. You're welcome if you treat it as a synonym of 'westerner', I don't put it that way, however.
Secondly, be careful when you want make this kind of assumptions, because it's actually quite easy to be proved wrong.
For example, I could ask you what you mean by 'westerner', then you may answer "Chinese people who favors west ideology", then I can either say "No, I just rational" like what I just did to save my time, or, if I want to hook you up, I could just let you explain "What is west ideology?", after that, I can just simply put out a question "Can you point out any of my words up there which gives you that impression?" while knowing you can't.
About that video host, I don't think you knew hes personal life out of the camera do you? So how do you prove "he never communicate with the locals"? Especially when hes wife is a local Chinese.
I'm not ensuring you hes 100% correct, in fact some part of it is not. However, that video is good enough for people who interested on the topic, a informative watch for them.
To preform an good argument, one fundamental rule you need to know is it's required for you to show your respect, by correctly understanding what's your opponent is saying and their reason, and by putting out your reason of why your opponent were wrong if they did.
A high quality comprehensive comment will bring you likes, bad one will give you down votes. If you in a hurry, don't post anything until you have time to do so. Because you need time to research the problem.
And the reason of why there are a population limit, is not because what you said:
> Some stupid officers can make all kinds of ridiculous policies, sometimes the basic reason is just to consolidate their regime
You need to have some basic understanding on politics and history to provide a reasonable answer, don't assume our government are just made of a brunch of idiots, this will not make you look better.
In my point of view, the reason of limiting the population of those tier 1 cities is complex, simply put:
1, The government needs to found a way to limit how many resources (both nature and welfare) a single city can consume. Because of a lots of reason (geo location for example), the city cannot hold too many people. (Shanghai for example, relies heavily on piped and shipped natural gas[0], which is expensive and not a long-term solution)
2, Many cities in China is not well designed. When it needs to handle huge amount of population, problems (Pollution, traffic jam, security problem etc) will occur.
3, Tier 1 cities are sucking resources (Intelligent people, welfare, infrastructure etc) from other cities, makes them harder to grow.
However, I skeptical about such hard limit will hold, because it's too hard to implement (What? they want to install doors for every city?), and you just can't stop people from seeking better life. We'll see how it goes.
[0] http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/29/content_...
Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M
#126The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…
When you have migrant floods, you get slums. The goal should be regulating the flood, keeping it more tame as a gentle flow over time. The Hukou system is good in this respect. You mention illegal immigration, this is why illegal immigration is bad. It's essentially a flood of people that cannot be supported by the system. Floods are never good, the goal in population transfer should almost always be gradual movement…
Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M
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#128The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…
I think that the reason the poor move to city slums and accept bad housing, working conditions, services, and infrastructure is because the poor consider their lives improved by urban living. I think the choice isn't between bad urban conditions and good conditions somewhere else. The choice is between bad urban conditions and bad rural conditions. Bad urban conditions provide people with better economic opportunity…
Sometimes changes in climate can also lead to agricultural work simply becoming impossible/unprofitable, thus forcing rural labor to move to the cities, looking for work which isn't impacted by the climate.
At least that's what happened in Syria [0], the sad part is that the final outcome wasn't all that unexpected [1].
[0] https://www.irinnews.org/feature/2009/09/02/drought-driving-...
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#129How did western countries deal with this kind of problem? Or they havent faced anything of such scale till now?
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#130Genuinely curious : What's a good alternative to setting a population limit per city ? Having lived in cities that are crumbling under poor infrastructure, unchecked growth, excessive pollution (from vehicles, stuck in endless traffic jams), shortage of water/electricity, I wonder what can be done to fix this. Everyone from across the country wants to migrate to a few big cities that provide good employment. We shoul…