Bullshit.
Singapore's radical drug policy is also working extremely well. Why hasn't the world copied it?
And to be fair, Singapore's drug policy has been working for a lot longer than Portugal's experiment.
Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
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Re: Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, the 70% number is true but misleading due to a lot of the new smaller members in the East. More than 80% of EU population is living in a country where either gay marriage or civil unions (which are pretty close) are legal.
edit: the downvotes would be amusing if it weren't because I'm bringing up how regressive most European nations are about gay marriage. I understand it's an inconvenient fact and upsetting to some, I'll go ahead and retain my position however: 70% of European nations not allowing gay marriage, is a travesty. Consider for a moment, that in the responses below, people are actually defending and rationalizing that 70% o…
> Those are European nations, it's entirely fair to count them as European nations.
Proportion of nations is misleading compared to proportion of population.
Re: Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
#133Bullshit. Singapore's radical drug policy is also working extremely well. Why hasn't the world copied it? And to be fair, Singapore's drug policy has been working for a lot longer than Portugal's experiment.
One involves killing people and the other doesn't?
Re: Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, the 70% number is true but misleading due to a lot of the new smaller members in the East. More than 80% of EU population is living in a country where either gay marriage or civil unions (which are pretty close) are legal.
edit: the downvotes would be amusing if it weren't because I'm bringing up how regressive most European nations are about gay marriage. I understand it's an inconvenient fact and upsetting to some, I'll go ahead and retain my position however: 70% of European nations not allowing gay marriage, is a travesty. Consider for a moment, that in the responses below, people are actually defending and rationalizing that 70% o…
Unfortunately / luckily (depends on who you ask and what the subject is) we don't have a single supreme court enforcing / interpreting law for the entire union.
In terms of gay marriage that is good for the US: I think if every state could decide it for themselves a lot of them wouldn't have by now. Look at how slow marijuana legalisation is in both the US and EU when states can decide for themselves.
I think my country NL has been at it solo for 40 years or so. It's easy to think things like these go like dominos but they really don't most of the time.
Although I'm glad the other EU nations can't for their ideas on us a lot of the time.. so it's a trade off I guess.
Re: Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're doing the census of an appartment block, do you count the flats or the people in each? Same difference here.
Most of the world consists of small nations, compared to eg the US or Germany. About 130 of the 195 nations have less than 20 million people. The majority of all nations have less than 9 million people. > If you're doing the census of an appartment block, do you count the flats or the people in each? If I were doing a census of an apartment block, I would count the number of flats and the people in each. For conceptu…
You're right but I don't follow. Do you have a point or did you just really want people to count countries in addition to relevant population numbers?
Re: Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
#136This scenario doesn't just happen with drug policy, but with practically any divisive policy discussion. People will debate something that is done elsewhere, and ignore completely that it's done elsewhere. Gay marriage is a prime example, as it's something that has been legalised in a lot of countries now. Every time a country goes through the process of debating whether to legalise gay marriage, there's a bunch of p…
Well, the US legalizes gay marriage and now they have Trump. Rebuttal?
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Re: Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
#137Bullshit. Singapore's radical drug policy is also working extremely well. Why hasn't the world copied it? And to be fair, Singapore's drug policy has been working for a lot longer than Portugal's experiment.
One involves killing people and the other doesn't?
You can argue that heroin kills more people in one year than the government ever did.
Re: Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
#138One thing that people aren't considering is that we have legalization experiments within the United States, and we have seen an uptick in marijuana usage[1]. This uptick has been benign because its been limited to Marijuana. I think that given our culture (one that I believe is potentially universal, but I can not speak to universality) has a tendency toward over consumption, its not clear to me that legalization of…
Agree. And it is not clear if other factors aren’t responsible for the reduction in Portugal too. Like regular cigarettes aren’t cool anymore, people increasingly are looking for healthy living habits. Would be interesting to compare if cocaine use in other Southern European countries also reduced over that period.
It feels kind of awkward to try to ban cigarette while promoting cocaine use at the same time.
That being said as a libertarian I am of the opinion that it’s not for the state to tell people how to live their life, and if they aspire to become junkies, let them live.
Re: Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
In which case the policy would be similar to germany; german law considers drug consumption a form of selfharm, which the law has no authority to forbid. Selling, owning or doing anything but consuming drugs is basically illegal though.
The important part of the law regards to carrying: in Portugal, carrying small amounts (eg. up to 1gr of heroin or 25gr of marijuana leaves¹) is considered to be for personal use and decriminalized. Is the same true in Germany? ¹As defined in the law, but prosecutors and judges can and often do avoid charging people with crimes if they have a bit more and there's no evidence of trafficking.
Carrying/Owning any amount of drugs would be illegal, though small amounts are rarely prosecuted when the general area has comparatively high amounts of addicts.